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Do The Dead Hear Us on The Other Side? | Spirit Communication | James Van Praagh

• James Van Praagh • Season 1 • Episode 9

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Can the dead hear us from the world beyond? How can we communicate with the spirits that have passed on? Get your answer here and explore spirit communication!
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More About James:

James Van Praagh is hailed worldwide as a pioneer of the mediumship movement and is considered one of the most widely recognized and accurate spiritual mediums working today.

A “survival evidence medium,” he provides evidential proof of life after death through highly detailed messages from the spiritual realm. He is recognized annually on Watkins List of the 100 Most Spiritually Influential Living People – a prestigious list of spiritual teachers, activists, authors, and thinkers.

For over three decades, Van Praagh’s messages have brought comfort and peace to millions. He has worked with international heads of state, religious world leaders, and celebrities including Cher, Goldie Hawn, Shirley Maclaine, Ellen DeGeneres, Joan Rivers, Katie Couric, Loretta Lynn, Chelsea Handler, Jennifer Love Hewitt, Wesley Snipes, and so many more. 

The #1 New York Times best-selling author of over a dozen international best-sellers, including his debut, Talking to Heaven, Van Praagh’s book titles include: Talking To Heaven, Reaching to Heaven, Healing Grief, Heaven and Earth, Looking Beyond, Meditations, Ghosts Among Us, Unfinished Business, Growing Up In Heaven, Adventures of the Soul, How to Heal a Grieving Heart, and The Power of Love.

Throughout his career, James Van Praagh has appeared on countless national radio and television shows including The Oprah Winfrey Show, Larry King Live, Dr. Phil, 48 Hours, The View, The Joy Behar Show, Chelsea Lately, Coast to Coast AM, and many more. 
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Kellee White is a Spiritual Medium and a licensed Psychotherapist practicing with celebrities, corporate executives, entrepreneurs, politicians as well as individuals, couples and families. Her specialties involve her work with trauma, loss, grief counseling, changes, transitions, fear of death and life purpose. A major goal of Kellee’s work is to heal the soul, which often includes messages from loved ones who have passed on to the other side. Kellee uses many lenses in her sessions for viewing the soul that include astrology, numerology and psychic ability. A session with Kellee might well be the most exciting, informative, healing hour of your life!

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James Van Praagh:

And you're in Wisconsin with a lot

Kellee White:

of tornadoes. How about you days with weather

James Van Praagh:

where they used to expect a certain type of weather, but I think every day is different now, isn't it? Every

Kellee White:

day, it seems we're getting pummeled in the oddest ways,

James Van Praagh:

in the weirdest places, too.

Kellee White:

Yeah, weirdest places. My goodness,

James Van Praagh:

very, very strange. Well, tonight we have a very interesting topic. We're going to discuss that of the many years of doing the work that I do as a medium. Kelly, for you as well, people have often asked, where it's like when you die? Where do you go to what is the spirit world like? Is there heaven and hell like we know it? And so we thought we'd explore that site because of everyone's comments and interest in that subject matter. Yeah, we'll

Kellee White:

be your tour guides to the other side, guys, the other side.

James Van Praagh:

And over the years, I've I'm Kelly as well. It's like the library full of very interesting books about life after death, life and the other side, so forth. And two of the most interesting books I've ever written at classics now, one by George meek, called after we die, what then, which I'm going to refer to after we die, what then, after we die, what then, right? And then there's another one, which is a stirrup, which is really factual, wonderful, which a lot of these books go hand in hand with what I've received from the spirit world, like when you pass over. And this is called, here we go, the beginner's guide to the recently deceased.

Kellee White:

Okay, I love it. I love that Jay

James Van Praagh:

really well done, really well done well.

Kellee White:

And I have one too, that I just love holiday in heaven. It's one of my favorites. And as you were mentioning, it's they all seem to go hand in hand with my experience with working on the other side.

James Van Praagh:

Yeah, and one of the most comments, or now, we had Anita Marjani on the show to write near the experiences. And there are a lot on YouTube and your experiences, but it seems that, and Kelly, I say this for you as well, to jump in and you have your experience with this. A lot of people, every every single individual, seems to have a different experience. So there's some people that see the light. Some people are aware of a tunnel. Some people very free, like, I need never saw light, but she was in the light. My friend Carolyn just passed over. Kind of rocketed right into this light experience. Some people talk about just having people in their rooms, greeting them, meeting them. So some of the things we do know, right? We'd say, first of all, when you when you're going to leave the body, which we've done millions and millions and millions of times before, that's the first time. Remember, you're a soul, having a human experience. And this time here is only relative to this three dimensional vibrations, three dimensional world. And it's funny, because there is no such thing as time outside of this box, outside of this, this car, if you will. And so when you let the window down and go out, and he's like, oh, yeah, there's no time. It's that's limited to that box I was in. So just on Earth, there's time in this dimension. It's just one in this dimension, because we got to measure things, if you will. And I guess there would be, I guess, Kelly, would you think there's a little bit of adjustment period depending on someone's passing, so let's say, depending on the conditions that they have so and the conditions, not only the physical body, but also of their mind, of the belief system, would affect their passing when their time comes to I obviously graduate to go back home. I just think it's depending upon the situation. There not one thing I can say and Kelly, I don't know if you'll agree with it or not, but there is no pain in death no matter how you pass. That's correct, the car accident, a heart attack, a murder, a suicide. It doesn't matter that physical body does not because you're not the physical body. It's just

Kellee White:

the soul is already left. Yeah,

James Van Praagh:

that's right, you're that essence again. There's no time. And it's also everybody, which is very interesting, is no one ever dies alone, the Spirit people, your guides, teachers, loved ones who are believing in you and really are invested in your best, greatest interest, who you are, because they're part of your growth. Are around you before you pass these months of Earth.

Kellee White:

Well, it's been my experience. I'd say six to eight weeks in advance that call goes out. So there's no such thing as an accident, or it's just no such thing. It's an excellent point. And and

James Van Praagh:

it said, you say a call goes out, and I've heard this when Mavis is often talking about their friend may was that there's a call that goes throughout the world, within worlds, within worlds, which are many worlds on their side, that there's a calling, and they say calling. And I often wonder what that means. Kelly, I often wonder, it's the vibration of that soul that

Kellee White:

it's almost like a magnetic pull. James, a magnetic pole. It's like, Okay, it's time. I've got to go. This one's going to happen now and, and it's a, it's automatically, you know it automatically. You understand it. Thoughts. Come right into you. Well,

James Van Praagh:

that's just it. Because thoughts are things. Thoughts are so so, so real. You know, the it's so interesting in this world, we don't see thought. But step outside this box, thoughts are all around. And they say, thought is everything, and of course, is a physical vibration, but the mental vibration right outside this world, it's all thought. So that thought was out that the soul is coming home, and we have to prepare for it, or are get ready for its arrival. And there's always a reunion, always a reunion.

Kellee White:

There's always a meet and greet. But even even before the meet and greet, James, when the soul, I've had a couple of really interesting experiences here, and I'm wondering if you've had this experience as well. And this late. This happened to me fairly recently. I had a client who passed away, and I found myself on the other side, and I saw her in a dream state, in a lucid dream state, and there she was, and she was one of my favorite clients. And there was, she was waiting. And I said, What are you waiting for? And I looked up, and there was a golden train. Now, have you ever seen this golden train? It almost looked like a train that was collecting the different souls that were waiting to just take off, and the train looked like something you would have seen at Disneyland. It was like a vibrant life. And I like fully, full of life and ready to take off to to the next level. And I said to my client, don't you want to get on the train? Because I could feel that they wanted, they on the other side, needed her to get on the train. And she said, No, I want to stay and wait for my daughter. So she decided to wait. I not seen that one before, have you? Are you

James Van Praagh:

train? That's the train. I'm not familiar with that, but I will say, and we will know till we pass over, what that experience is like, because again, we talk about a sixth or seventh dimension and from a three dimensional reference point. So it's so hard for us, but because not everybody has a train, whatever that may may be, right?

Kellee White:

And so would everybody, whatever your belief system could be, also, that's what would be there to to greet you, right?

James Van Praagh:

So when Carolyn, my friend, Carolyn, passed over, she said, Wow, the most amazing thing was they were all waited for me. They waited for me to come over. Now, what does that means? I mean they all waited for their progression of their own spirituality. Get to wait to progress, to meet her and progress? No, I think that they they stopped whatever their works were, wherever they were, whatever worlds they were in to come to a meeting point. And there usually is a meeting point, by the way, there's a meeting point, and it could take place originally, if there's a hospital room or a bedroom or one of the initial leaving of that physical is and it could be there's a meeting point, there's a meeting place, there's a halls of orientation, and many times the soul will go immediately to a hall of orientation, a reception where they see all of their loved ones again. There was one description at an out of body experience where a friend was telling me about this and an old man who was about 85 or 86 when he passed, and he was this hall of orientation. And in his mind, he was an older man. He was an old man. And in this hall of orientation, they were there watching him, and he was holding on to his guide. His guide held his hand, and as if this guy had this elixir in his hand, he turned gold, and the liquid went through, and he turned younger and younger, and turned to a 36 year old man right before everybody's eyes, wow, you tend to go back to the younger part of life that you want to go back to. Yes, that happens pretty closely. And because we're so close to our physical vibration, and we'll go through the different levels of places, but in a while. But it seems that again, depending on the mindset, that everybody because they're so close to the Earth vibration, and I think there's a lot to do Kelly with, maybe help, helping the Orient. Well, I

Kellee White:

was just going to talk about that, James, because what it's been my experience that, let's say a soul passes from drug overdose, let's just say from drugs. It's been my experience that when I see a soul on the other side that has had that experience. They often have, they go to a healing center, or they'll have a therapist waiting for them that says, Okay, now we're going to set you over here. Now we're going to go over here and get you the help that you need, that your soul needs. So there are all kinds of ways. If there's suicide, they go, there would be a lot of therapists or healers there to help them. There

James Van Praagh:

are holes that deal with suicides, there are holes that deal with their past drug overdoses. Yeah, from those people, those souls who have previously passed over that way, yes, their mindset of that drug addiction and they will be the best ones to handle them when they first come over, because they know the mindset that they're in, right, right,

Kellee White:

very, very true. I also found that too, James, if, let's say somebody died from a fire, they were firemen and they died in a fire or something, I'll also see groups of firemen or groups of policemen on the other side that will help them as well.

James Van Praagh:

Oh, yeah, very much. So yeah, for some recipes, very, very true things that seems. So it's so interesting. Things that seem very dramatic here and very even like bombings and things like this, from that point of view there, it doesn't hurt, it doesn't seem to upset them, as we would think it would. It was an experience that the physical body had. It might affect them emotionally, mentally, but it doesn't stick with them. It doesn't stick with them. Well, some of them, like, what

Kellee White:

I've found that they need is, like, trauma help. They'll go through they have a little bit of trauma, of it, and they'll go through the therapy, through it. They'll go through the different

James Van Praagh:

healing. Yeah, yeah. And they say these halls of healing are incredible. We can say Mother of Pearl. And they go on for as long, as high as you can see, and the colors are very, very different there. They're astral colors, or bright colors, nothing on this earth that we've ever seen before. So it depends a lot on your mindset. I mean, even if you had a religious mindset at your time of passing the might find everything is set to help people acclimate. So if someone was raised Catholic, as my mother was very Irish Catholic, there was a priest that came to get her on the side of the sea Jesus. See an illusion, or illusion a Jesus figure? Is it really Jesus? Well, perhaps not, but they've created that for them. They can create that with their minds so that that that soul feel comfortable and acclimate to that that world and feel that they're in heaven. And there are spaces and places over there, multi, multi dimensions. And mean all around us are different phases and different levels of of energy and different fields of energy all around us for, oh, someone locked into this, this car, this box, but outside of a lot of VISTAs. And there are many mindsets or people of mine thinks that a Muslim heaven is the way it should be, or a bud heaven, or a Catholic heaven, or born again, and that's they will end up in that space that other people, like minds, have created. And in that space they will have a very real place where they have churches and worshiping and that that still stays that way. But that's one of many different worlds, many, many belief systems.

Kellee White:

And the soul will continue to grow and grow and grow. So the soul at that point might continue to grow, might stay with that group because it's a comfortable group for them, or they understand it. And then the soul will start to probably grow. It'll

James Van Praagh:

grow in its own time and way. Yeah, well, just like on the earth. Cal, just, just like here. Sometimes you want to grow here and sometimes you don't want to grow here. And that's okay. That's fine. We all have a choice whether or not to grow or not to same as we do here. It's very, very true. Yeah, very true, but, but it's interesting, because people get so caught up in suicide too, and it's always remember suicide, the soul can never be harmed. And I think all of us have probably completed suicide one lifetime or another, just another way of leaving the body. I think suicides are lessons for those left behind, as well as, Oh, for

Kellee White:

sure, for sure, and then, and the soul may have that may have been a contract, and

James Van Praagh:

that might have been a contract before they incarnated. Exactly. Yes. It's very, very true. Yeah. So based upon, I think, your belief system, and this is quite common, I think the spirit people, once you're orientated over there and everybody, it seems that everybody will go visit, their ceremony, their their funerals, their memorial services.

Kellee White:

You never wish that, yeah, never

James Van Praagh:

that. I think that's their way of showing us that we've had, indeed, the physical body has stopped, and that you moved over. And the most confusing thing is it seems that the soul is so alive, more alive than they were when they were living in this physical earth. And like, I can't be dead. I just can't be dead.

Kellee White:

My mother come to you right away after she died, and said, Tell Kelly I'm not dead.

James Van Praagh:

I'm in the airplane. I tell you, the mother came to an airplane from York to LA. I said I'm dead to Kelly, I'm not dead. Stop telling you I'm dead. Stop thinking that I'm dead. I'm not dead. They often will say that, right? That's an insult, because they're not dead. It's an insult. Yes, there's no death us, who know better, that would be an insult, right? Even you know, sorry for parents in many ways, who think their kids are in the ground or burned up in that jar, because they're not. That's just that the physical body, it's a box they were in their soul, their essence of their being is never dies. Well,

Kellee White:

let's talk about that, James, because you wrote a wonderful book, children in heaven. So let's talk about when children pass,

James Van Praagh:

yeah, growing up in heaven. And it's it was really interesting, like when I wrote that, when I was living back in Laguna Beach Bash about 15 years ago, maybe 16 years ago, and I walked into my office and all these spirit children were around my desk in my computer. I'm like, Okay, what are you doing here? And I don't see spirits like that that often. And I said, When I'm not working, I said, we're helping you write your next book. I'm like, they said, We need to help you educate people on the earth who believe that when children die, that's it. And they said, we don't. We just and it's very frustrating for us, because we live incredible. Lives. We really start living life. We leave. And all of my different stories that there was, like you say, some contracts between the soul group of the parents and them, some souls those children want to help to teach the parents get into a spiritual on a spiritual path. That many different reasons. But that soul, that child soul, it seems, and I can't say generally, for every child so but for majority of them, I found that they will continue on on the other side of life, going through schools, letting their soul express themselves and learn and learn, maybe in things that they would have done here on the earth. Learn things about the Earth. They can learn languages. They can learn vocabulary. They can learn historical things. The advantage I have over there is historical things. They can go visit the actual historical figures. On the other side,

Kellee White:

let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. That's fascinating. So you on the other side, there are so many things that you can do, and you can go to concerts. You can actually go visit some of these historical places.

James Van Praagh:

That's exactly right. You can visit historical figures, and you can speak to them, Socrates and you know Moses, and whatever you want to you know different people. You can even speak to these beings, because they're not limited. They're there in the time period and again, just like we say, well, there are those who like, like, a certain religion, that have certain heavens. Same thing in historical maybe there's Society of Greece that they still have that mindset, that they want to live that civilization in Greece or Rome or even other planets. Friends, either the galaxies, because you're open to other types of galaxies, other forms of life, other ways of being on the other side, and you can experience anything that you want for your soul's nourishment, your soul's nourishment. And recently, my friend Carolyn passed over, said she I told this last week, but it was pretty fascinating. She was a very artistic create. She is very artistic creative being. And she goes to a level, the celestial world, where there is all about creation of art, art in many different forms, and takes different forms, different colors, and she finds herself gravitating to that, because that's what makes her feel. She resonates to that. She resonates that that type of work. And we all go. My father went back to school. He didn't finish school here, and he was so happy to go to college and universities. And he said, Not universities that you'd find here, different types of universities, more specifically, more specifically generated to go to the complexities and the simplicities of the human mind, yeah, of the of the mind of the mind the soul mind of the human mind, but that he would be able to feed his soul with these interests in those of knowledge, of wisdom, if you will. And many people will go to Yeah. And many people learn so many different types of things and trades work. Some people learn architecture. And the one thing with music, they learn to play music. They want to play music here, and they were never able to. They learned to do it over there. You get to do things you've always wanted to do here, but you weren't, perhaps, able to, and you get to do that. One thing I'm going to say is there's a sense over there of people live their passion. And that's why it's called heaven, because you're living out your passion. So when you go to a concert on the other side, you go to beautiful musical hall where there are no limitations, and this is somebody bring across. I think it's always fascinating. There's a wonderful book for Anthony Borger called Life in the world unseen I mentioned last week, and another one called more than life in the world unseen. And it's based upon a reverend, a Protestant minister, who, I guess he was in the 30s in England, and he passed and he was so upset that he preached the wrong things about the side of heaven that he came through a medium and wanted to get things right. And several things he spoke about was about buildings. And he said, If someone has a desire to have a certain building, a certain house, a certain way they want to, it's all about expressing themselves. They can express that house, the size of the house, the quality of the house, the look of the house that matches their personality, that matches who they are. It's a representation of who they are. That house. And the funny thing he said was, the land around it is in perfect harmony, symmetrically to the house. So everything is in harmony. Nothing overshadows anything. It's all imperfect harmony, same. And that interesting, so interesting. And I talk about gardens on the other side, that way beyond men with passion of gardens. I mean, I love my gardens here. They talk about colors and specimens of flowers and trees and and the vegetation of life that we don't have in this level. That they said is most incredible, because, remember, it's all it's a really, an incredibly what's a word I'm looking for that these, these, this form of life, vegetation, like they all work within each other with the light that the dirt. They call it dirt there. How they grow its own harmony with each other. They help each other to grow. It's a true oneness of being. So there's a passion of that, that they share those those elements, and they can make the best of everything. So in musical concerts, I've heard those who are passionate about music, and they will get together, they'll hear classical music for many different types of music, but for instance, for example, you say classical music, and they're playing these lovely songs that many people remember here on this earth, and of course, they have the first the person of persons that composers that create it, and they'll be conducting the orchestra. And they've also talked about the notes and the music. The people in the audience feel the music, feel it, but they also see the notes coming out as colors, vibration, and they feel the colors I talk about, the rainbows of light of all these and the harmonies of the colors of the melodic, the melodies, the melodic of notes coming together in perfect harmony over there. So you can

Kellee White:

imagine and so you're feeling it and seeing it. You're feeling a part of it. You're the oneness with it,

James Van Praagh:

and you're feeling what the composer felt when they created it. Wow, James, that's amazing. And you're part of it. You're part of it. You're not You're not observing it. You're brought into the experience. You're fed. You're fed that experience in your soul.

Kellee White:

Wow, what a soulful experience. Let's talk about our beloved animals. Will we see our animals again?

James Van Praagh:

Yes? So yeah, gosh, yes. I mean again and again. You're talking to someone who spends every morning the dog park. I really do believe that animals are beyond humans in consciousness and love. I think the special guides and teachers for us here, I think we've gotta be really mindful that we are sharing this space with all different types of animals and insects, and everybody has a right to be here. And I think that our animals that remember that, that again, if we look back at the concert I just mentioning, at the house, the architecture that was built so it's all done with love. It's all done with their passion, while everything is made from love. We are love. We're loving beings. There's no fear there. There's love and that when those beings of love, those animals who love us, that we share love with on this planet, that loving energy comes back will greet us, they can't wait to share that again in our fullness of our being, the fullness of being as a physical barn was not the fullness of our being. So you get enriched, enhanced. And one of the greatest I cry, one of the greatest reunions, is animals with with loved ones. It's a wonderful story I wrote about once, and good cry. It was a farmer who had this horse for many, many, many years, and the horses had a bed back. And it was I called, I think we called Nelly, and it was a broken down horse, and he came back in the spirit world, this, this man who passed over, and one of the first things he said was, I've seen my Nelly. She came to greet me, and she was as if she was like that, this brand new, like, a year old, and she came right to me, and she told me how much she loved me, that she'd never forgotten with that me, that she's been with me, and they're always with us. They never forget us. They're around us. They do have missions on the other side that they do and help others. And I still lost Kelly, where I don't know, because of the time space continuum thing. They can be in several places at once. But I've often thought, Well, are they doing their missions? Can they be here next to us when they're off doing their work? But the thoughts remember things done mentally. So when you think of them, they come right to you. And when I was a friend of mine, said to me, as Where have you been, John? I haven't seen you for a while. And he said, Well, I've been out visiting different continents of places. Well, you call them continents, we don't call them continents. We call them places or something. And he said, but I'm in your orbit now, because I've you, you rang out you, you called out my name in your thoughts. And now I'm in your orbit. I'm in your I'm surrounding your orbit. Well, that

Kellee White:

makes so much sense, because often, well, people will say, you know, I haven't seen or heard from my mother or my father for years, and often it's because they are off doing so many things. They're off in their own orbit. They're off doing so many things. But if you put that thought out, it does bring them back.

James Van Praagh:

Oh, totally. I mean, it's like Reverend Caroline just passes with me every day a week, and then Layla like, where are you? But she's off firing on different cylinders. She's off climbing and discovering and and who are we to hold people back from discovering themselves on their side of life, those aspects of their soul that they weren't able to discover here, they have to discover there to make themselves better and in return, come back and make us better, influence us, inspire us every day. But they fuss because they do this, and they create these lovely spaces over there. So when someone first passes over, and I've heard this before, one of the first things they do to help you acclimate is bring it to those halls of orientation, halls of healing. And many times they'll bring you to the mother's house. House. Now it's a replica of your mother's house that you would remember when you were a child, and it looks exactly like it did as you were a child. And they did that with their minds. They created this with their thoughts, because of the mental world. You can think of it as manifested. And they do that, and they bring the soul there, wow, mom's house, and they will keep in there for a little bit, and then the the soul will slowly go into a slumber period. And that could be a life review. Then they're going to go to, like, of a dream state, and they will have, like, a little bit of a life review, where they become aware of all things they did in the lifetime on the earth, and they see things, feel things, understand things that they did or didn't do, and that we are own judge and jury, but they might simply bring them to a place that they feel comfortable in, just to acclimate themselves. Yeah,

Kellee White:

and then once you get acclimated, then they often will do the meet and greet and they'll go be with their loved ones. And then what do you think about when a soul because the idea of being on the other side is always about growth. Whether we're here on Earth, it's growth in this dimension or on the other side it's growth, growth, growth. It's it's a constant. And of course, if you just want to sit and just do nothing and enjoy heaven, that's all great as well. But often souls want to keep growing. You

James Van Praagh:

Kelly, it's up to each soul. It's up to it's up to every single individual soul. I mean, as we walk around this earth right now, there are souls that don't want to grow, who believe in war, who believe in power, who believe in hurting other people. Those aren't growing. They're going backwards, if you will, because what we do, everyone affects the other person. We're all connected. What you do affects someone. It hurts you. As you're hurting someone else, you're hurting yourself. It comes back through, because we're all one energy. We're all one jellyfish. Describe it, one big jellyfish, one big tapestry. And we put into those elements, those components of thought and energy, and they come back to us, because we are everything we think of, and we're all one energy. We're all just one big blanket, if you will. So that's why it's not good to have the lower levels of judgment and fear and anger and hatred and murder. And that's not good again, I guess it serves a purpose in some respects, but it's not the right natural way of being. It isn't the natural way of being. And the Father's house is in the Bible says that father has a house in many mansions. And those are the various spiritual levels. For the unevolved or evolved levels. I'm gonna go through the different levels, and just a little

Kellee White:

I was going to say, did Mavis patella, when she came to you, and she talked about the the realms between the realms and the

James Van Praagh:

Yes, worlds within worlds, because there are worlds within worlds, within worlds. And you go to that world which you are, what you resonate with, and you can grow or not grow again, same down here, you can grow and not go. She did say one of the things that she found very interesting when she was in the lifetime here, she said she's going to another side. She said, I'm going to a society, a poet society, a poet house or a hall where they're all famous poets, and she's going to hear them speak and recite poetry. And she loved poetry. Here, she loves poetry, yeah. So we tend to go to those places that you want to go to, to learn to understand. My friend Peter's gonna go learn and play the organ when he goes over there, I know I'm gonna do some painting when I go over there and do more, like learn different aspects of painting. I don't want to go to somebody wise schools, although I feel like I have gone to schools on that side, very wise schools over there. Yeah,

Kellee White:

I know you have. Yeah. I

James Van Praagh:

think I have. I really do think I have. And it's just, yeah, I It's very interesting. Carolyn, who passed over, said to me last week, and I might have mentioned this, she said, My gosh, James, they bring me, they bring you on a tour when you first come here, and they will show you my mother, same thing that happened to her. They bring to all the various levels that exist, from the very, very lowest, the very highest, as long as you get up to the highest, the one who has evolved to a certain point could go down below, but they can't go above, because you better earn that level of being above. And also makes sense, because, you know, it's the same thing that was a Tinker Bell. If you go too quick or too high, you burn your wings. Yes, you gotta go to that level that you've you're ready for. See. That's what I was talking about with the growth, yeah, with the growth, you can't go when you're not we're not because it makes sense having to go to a higher level if you don't have an understanding of that level, you wouldn't exist in that level if you don't have an understanding of it. So that's when we come back down here to have all these experiences help us understand human nature. Yeah, human nature. There's no other place to understand human nature, but here on this earth. Oh, here on this earth, humans are not on the other side. Humans are here the human speaking

Kellee White:

about that with the human nature. James, how do you feel that it works with all of a sudden, we're gonna go do another reincarnation.

James Van Praagh:

Well, it's I was just reading on that. It's very interesting. I was reading a book of. Out that. And it's so fascinating that they went into a whole thing about time is a blink of an eye, and that when you get to the other side of life and you step, and I love this word Kelly, which I think we've talked about before, stepping out, when we step out of the body. And it's called a stepping out. Now, there is a T, I think I told you this. There's that movie, everything everywhere, all at once. Yes, it was on last year when some awards, and I think that's how they use the term stepping out from one life to another life. And I kind of like that term stepping out, because there is no time when you when you step out, and you get back home in the spirit level, spirit world, and you're like, oh my gosh, that was the blink of an eye the time on the earth. You know, it was not easy, but I grew so they say. I just read this 10 years. So this is interesting. A decade of growth in this earth is equal to centuries in time. So the growth here on this earth, for a decade of growth can be equal to centuries of time. That interesting. Just read that name one of these books. Yeah, oh my. And the impact of those experiences are so strong that it can move things really quickly. And that's why souls tend to come back to this earth and and, you know, listen, there's so much more to it than just this earth. So we are here to help and to move things forward for everyone, not just ourselves. And because we're so sensitive beings and impasse, it tends to the feel more, see more and sense more. The most important thing is, of course, we have to absorb, not absorb, observe, not absorb. Observe, not absorb. And because we want to help people, and they're sensitives, and we tend to be very empathetic, we want to take it off, and we should never take it on.

Kellee White:

Yeah, I always try to try to make as much light out of the darkness that you can.

James Van Praagh:

Yeah, yeah, it's true. That's true. Yeah, it's very interesting, because I know when people talk about guides of physical eyes, I've written about guides and so you know, my mind changes about things as well when I go through things. And we tend to look at guides and a higher level of vibration, right to teachers and knowingness. But also want us to think about ourselves as guides and think of our higher selves as our number one guide, because it's our highest self, our celestial being, who could be really one of our best guides in

Kellee White:

that thing, our higher self absolutely is the best guide, I would think. But also, there are many very souls right now on earth that when they get to the other side, they will be guides because they're doing here to help others. So on the other side, we can choose to have jobs or do things to help humanity, perhaps on Earth, or to have help the souls on the other side.

James Van Praagh:

Yeah, and many times your loved ones who pass over or get your your guides, my mother, I'm sure I know your mother has been a guide of yours. My mother became a guide of mine. I asked a medium. I said, Why is she my guy? She doesn't feel she did nothing physical in the world. So she wants to help you now, spiritually. That makes sense. And that's Carolyn said she on this side. She goes, James, I want to help these people. I said, What do you mean? Just they're walking around like sleepwalking, and they're like rocks. They don't have any life. I need to share with them that there's life, there's animation, because I gotta teach them. I've gotta teach them. So she's going to be a guide to those lower, lower level beings, if you will, who are unaware, if you will, one of the things she wants to do, of many things,

Kellee White:

well, she'll do a lot of things. She had so much energy here. I can only imagine the energy she has over there. James, what do you know? Anything? Or can you speak about the hall of mirrors?

James Van Praagh:

The Hall of Mirrors? Well, there's many holes, first of all, but Hall of Mirrors, from my interpretation Kelly, would be the halls of reincarnate, of lifetimes, of seeing your soul, your soul, and the different aspects of your soul, and of the lifetimes, that's what I've heard, or the different aspects of your soul, that's what I've understood. And

Kellee White:

would that be a place to think? Well, I think I was thinking about if you wanted to have, let's say you had some very special memories while you were on Earth, and you really wanted to recreate that. I've always felt that hall of mirrors that's where you would go to recreate some of your memories that you wanted to have again, just so you could have

James Van Praagh:

your memories are there, right? The memories are there. You can go the whole I'm sure they have many names for it, of whole reflection, whole of mirrors, where you can go and those memories are there. You can get, reach back at those and get those. I've done that in past life regression. A lot of people go back and get memories of other lifetimes that are significant to the this current lifetime. That for quite a bit. Yeah. So there's a couple things I want to read, if I could. It's from this great book and the guide to the recently, recently deceased, by David Stone, S, T, A, U, M, E, had his book for many, many years. I just want to read a couple of things, if it's okay, because I would be able to say it the most obvious difference between the astral and physical world, because the world beyond the physical is called the astral world, and it's a very. Solid world, very colorful world, very much like this world, but more vivid, more colorful, buildings, gardens, your loved ones are there, and it's a very real world. They say the most obvious difference between the astral and physical world is the light. It's because the light is is so special here that this world was given the name Astro, which means starry. Look, there isn't there's an in just iridescence. Iridescence, it's rounds and permeates everything, so much that, if I told you everything here was made of mother of pearl, you might even believe me. Astral matter, not only bays in this light, it also generates it. Astral matter is less illuminating. We got less illuminating. And now, after I was listening, it is all transparent to the light, somewhat at a warp speed. There are no collisions in the after World. It's simply not possible. And don't believe anyone tells you otherwise. Everything passes through everything else and does so constantly. The only impediments to normal zooming are the planetary boundaries and our self imposed limitations, or psylliums. We call them the planetary boundaries restrict us to Earth and our silliness restrict us to the boundaries of our thought. You'll often see people walking, sometimes long distances on the ground purely, purely from habit. Suddenly you'll see people walking through doorways, but they could just as easily walk through walls in the astral world, if you think something just as body of water or wall of flame, it is an obstacle. It will be so your thoughts become realized on the other side, but you have to let remember that. You know it takes a little bit of training or orientation that now you're in a world of thought, the astral world's a mental world. This is a physical world, but that's a mental world. It's a very thoughtful world. So you have to remember that.

Kellee White:

Yeah, wow. Just so interesting. Wow. I remember when my father passed, he was in a university like that, and he I got to see where he was experiencing, you know, just getting acclimated again, yes,

James Van Praagh:

getting acclimated the different phase, the different levels or phases of spaces or worlds. They say the physical and the earth world is the bottom right. Then we go to the lower astral world, which is exactly like this world, but again, finer material, the light permeates. And then there are the middle astral worlds, a little bit more refined, if you will. At the lower astral worlds, you might feel still like you have to eat something. It might be a sense of, I have to have, I still have hunger or an appetite, and eventually that'll burn itself out. Same with alcohol. You might be an alcoholic, professor or an addict. So we're a drug addict, and you might actually need a fix. And you can have a fix. You can take the pills or drug yourself or shoot yourself, or drink whatever. And it'll have that same it'll have that feeling that you remember because you're in a mental world, so the memory of it stays the same. You won't have the physical reaction from it, because you're not in the physical world. So it'll just be a memory of the condition that's interesting. And then you'll eventually find out you can live it out. You burn out that memory of needing it so much so you don't need to have that. And then you're able to move on to other higher, more refined ways of being. And you go to the upper levels of the middle astral world. Again, everything is more refined. Then we go to the higher astral world. Then we go to the causal or mental world. And then finally, the celestial planes, which is a very spiritual, highly evolved places that we go to. Yeah. So when I gave Renee a little bit of a chart, how do we get, yes, the celestial worlds, those higher spiritual worlds. So this is taken from the book here, and there you go, that I can with

Kellee White:

it. It's a step going, steps up. Going

James Van Praagh:

steps up. You can read that Kelly, if you can,

Kellee White:

it says the first is seek first the consciousness of God, the Creator,

James Van Praagh:

right? So first in your mind has a sense that there's god, there's a, want to call it God, the Universal Mind, that there's something else there. That's the first step, having that awareness or expansion of consciousness. And then the second step,

Kellee White:

learn to know your real self.

James Van Praagh:

Yes, don't self be true. And it's funny, because I said to people recently, you know, I can only hang out with people who know themselves, because otherwise they're searching for someone that that's not them. And you can, you can only go ahead if you know who you are, yeah.

Kellee White:

Next step up is love others. Love others,

James Van Praagh:

because that's that energy that permeates every life force that's our life, that prana, love others, yeah.

Kellee White:

Oh, and the step after that. I love this step. Show compassion

James Van Praagh:

in every way you can. And I tell people to show compassion every day, whenever you put the position of situation, especially when it's in a bad one, like, you know, somebody yells at you whatever. Say, I send you my love, or, you know, good for you have I send you love. Just send love. Smile at them, you know, send compassion. Because, boy, if they only knew, if they only knew what they were putting out into the universe by being angry and upset, they would, I mean. Have to feel sorry for them. No way I have empathy, because if they knew better, they wouldn't behave that way. Yeah?

Kellee White:

And after that, it's radiate kindness. Yeah, kindness goes a long way. Kindness

James Van Praagh:

goes a long even as a smile, even if it's a complimenting somebody, show kindness, it's a lack of it, now, isn't it? So we need to do that. Oh, James, practice

Kellee White:

patience.

Unknown:

It really is a virtue. It's

James Van Praagh:

a virtue. Can't push through, let it flow. You can't push the river. You gotta let it flow. It it's going to happen when it happens. And we're joking, because someone that was in the hospital and said, Well, you're a patient, and that word patience isn't that interesting. Patience when they're in a hospital, because you have to have patience or the body to restore itself. Patience so true. And you know, with patience that's you even realize people that you know you can't control other people you know you'll have patience when you realize that you can't control others, you can't control what's going to happen. All you can control is how you receive, how you respond to something. That's true. Patience and it's going to be what it's going to be, don't make it more than what it is. It is what it is, and that's all that it is. Don't make it more than that. So be patient about it. Everything happens and it's right time. So I'm here, I'm trying to sell my house right now, and it's going to happen. It's going to happen. I'm not in a rush, because it's going to happen in its right time. I think everything. Kelly, what do you think about this? Everything happens at its natural time? Absolutely.

Kellee White:

You can try to push it make something it just doesn't work that way. God, it's a waste of energy.

James Van Praagh:

It's a waste of energy. Exactly. Patience is

Kellee White:

everything. And then share with others. That's a great one. James, share with others as we get higher steps.

James Van Praagh:

Yeah, because we belong. It belongs to all of us. You know, I have a nice house here, and people say, Wow. You know we shouldn't leave this house. It's nice. And I said, Well, it's nice, but I'm out here enjoying it, yes, but why would you bring strangers to your house? And I said, Well, what's the point of having it nice gardens and stuff, if you feel share it with people. It's it's here

Kellee White:

to share. James, you've always been a share, always, but don't

James Van Praagh:

even want other people to have a great experience, right others? I mean, that's the joy of all of us, to have things that we others can share. That's why I wear nice clothes and we go out and parties and look nice, because want others to feel good about what we're wearing, or we feel good about ourselves and in that and others will feel good. That's why we do that music the same way want people to feel better,

Kellee White:

absolutely then continue to grow mentally. That's so true. Constantly growing, expansion, expansion. My favorite is the top one. It's to serve others, yeah. And that's how we get higher and higher, and we get higher and higher here.

James Van Praagh:

Yeah. That's how we get to the higher levels. The higher levels of spirit is those, those the steps get to the higher levels of the celestial, the spiritual plants, if you will. And of course, with no steps or many steps as well, but those are the main steps to get up to the higher level of spiritual, the causal frame, so

Kellee White:

much to look forward to on the other side,

James Van Praagh:

very, very true. And you know, each day is a blessing. Each day is is different. Never take each day for granted. You know, every day is a every day is a new day. And yesterday's happened, tomorrow's yet to be and be that example of the world that you want to put out there. What you want the world to be, be that light. And

Kellee White:

James, you have something coming up this weekend that's very important.

James Van Praagh:

Thanks for mentioning that I'm going to be doing a healing grief workshop. I for many years, obviously, went with grieving people, and there's all different aspects of grief, whether it's leaving a child, leaving empty nest, syndrome, going to school, getting married, a divorce, changing jobs, losing a loved one, it's all the types of grief, and lot of people don't know how to grieve. So I'm going to do a workshop Friday night and Saturday online, and it's going to be about based on my book healing grief, different aspects, different exercise about grief, looking at it from a different point of view, helping yourself, giving you various ways of working with it and moving ahead and with it, not honoring it and being part of it. And yeah, that's Friday, and Saturday. It's on our website, banfrog.com, and there is right there's a link right there, too. Oh my God, that's correct. You and I have something coming up, which is very

Kellee White:

exciting. We're going to be in Chicago at a live event Chicago. It's going to be so fun. I love Chicago,

Unknown:

and I love Chicago with you, we

Kellee White:

always have a good time in Chicago.

Unknown:

I think now let's say was Alaska, of course, last time I saw you in San Diego with covid,

Kellee White:

that was hilarious. But this would be great. Join us july 25 if you can for a live

James Van Praagh:

event. Everybody. So come and get. It because and we're going to do a meet and greet, I think, yep, do a meet and greet. We're doing two or three hours of messages and meet and greet, and so please come see us in Lake Forest. How far is Lake Forest from downtown Chicago?

Kellee White:

30 minutes, maybe 4030, minutes. I don't know. You know. I only know from Los Angeles time how to get somewhere. But it's not too far.

James Van Praagh:

It's very, very true. That's very true. And then you have something else coming on Thursday, right?

Kellee White:

I have my show. Ask me anything. I'm going to be talking about sacred contracts. So please join me.

James Van Praagh:

That's great. So Kelly, when you pass over, what do you think level you'll be on? Well,

Kellee White:

I'd like to be, I'll tell you what, James, I'm going to go right to

Unknown:

the top, my girl first, I

Kellee White:

want to do a lot of art, like you. I want to paint. I love to do art, and I love birds, and I want to see my animals, and I want to do all of that, and my loved ones, and want to get together with my mom and but I ultimately, I'll be, I feel like I'll be serving others, because I've seen myself on the other side so many times with the jobs that I do on the other side that I think that's what I'll be doing. What about, you know, the feeling what

James Van Praagh:

you're going to do right away, to which Carolyn actually did was your first best over was learn how to use um, harmonize with the animal kingdom and to use them to make bring signals back to the living. I love that I was feeling going to learn that right away.

Kellee White:

That's my going to be my favorite. I have such a birdie. I love that. Feel that

James Van Praagh:

with you. Yeah, definitely. Carolyn did that. I think a lot of people do that when they're they first get over there, they and I don't know how it works, so it's magnetic energy or so forth, whether they get educated about that, but that's what can happen. I'll be happy just to go over there and say hello everyone. Right? I miss people. You know, you get to a point in your life you realize about more of my friends and loved ones than other side than they are here. Yeah, it's very interesting. Oh, all right,

Unknown:

yeah,

James Van Praagh:

well, thank you. Kelly, thank you, Renee,

Kellee White:

thanks everybody

James Van Praagh:

until next time. Okay, bye, bye. You.