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A Near Death Experience (NDE) Showed Her the REAL Power of Music | James Van Praagh

• James Van Praagh • Season 1 • Episode 5

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What happens during a Near Death Experience? Today we’re joined by Ellen Wier as she tells her NDE story, showing her the true power of music and sound!
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If you’ve ever wondered about near death experiences, this is for you. Today James Van Praagh and Kellee White are joined by Ellen Wier Whealton as she tells us her NDE story - from what she saw, how it happened, and how it changed her life forever. Through her near death experience, she was shown the power of music and sound. This launching her into a career in music therapy, helping people everywhere with sound and frequency. Learn the meanings behind light, colors, auras, sacred geometry, numbers, water, and more!

Ellen Wier is a transpersonal and music therapist, and light worker whose life’s mission was shaped by a NDE at age 12. Since that moment, she vowed to come back to heal people through music.
Ellen has since dedicated her life to helping others experiencing a glimpse of Heaven for themselves through singing bowls, angel messages and classical music journeys. Through her process, she assists in guiding clients to access a higher consciousness and receive Divine messages directly.

She recently appeared in "Beyond the Grave" which won Best Paranormal Film of the Year at the Cannes Film Festival. Her transformative journey & insights are detailed in “Waking Up in Heaven: Living with Purpose through Afterlife Wisdom” available here: https://www.amazon.com/Waking-Up-Heaven-Purpose-Afterlife/dp/B0D187QGFN

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James Van Praagh is hailed worldwide as a pioneer of the mediumship movement and is considered one of the most widely recognized and accurate spiritual mediums working today.

A “survival evidence medium,” he provides evidential proof of life after death through highly detailed messages from the spiritual realm. He is recognized annually on Watkins List of the 100 Most Spiritually Influential Living People – a prestigious list of spiritual teachers, activists, authors, and thinkers.

For over three decades, Van Praagh’s messages have brought comfort and peace to millions. He has worked with international heads of state, religious world leaders, and celebrities including Cher, Goldie Hawn, Shirley Maclaine, Ellen DeGeneres, Joan Rivers, Katie Couric, Loretta Lynn, Chelsea Handler, Jennifer Love Hewitt, Wesley Snipes, and so many more. 

The #1 New York Times best-selling author of over a dozen international best-sellers, including his debut, Talking to Heaven, Van Praagh’s book titles include: Talking To Heaven, Reaching to Heaven, Healing Grief, Heaven and Earth, Looking Beyond, Meditations, Ghosts Among Us, Unfinished Business, Growing Up In Heaven, Adventures of the Soul, How to Heal a Grieving Heart, and The Power of Love.

Throughout his career, James Van Praagh has appeared on countless national radio and television shows including The Oprah Winfrey Show, Larry King Live, Dr. Phil, 48 Hours, The View, The Joy Behar Show, Chelsea Lately, Coast to Coast AM, and many more. 
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Unknown:

Hello everyone. Welcome to Life After Death and

Kellee White:

Jameson callow,

James Van Praagh:

James Kelly white. Hello everyone listening and watching and tonight we're very special to starting kind of a series I guess you would say Kelly. Yes, we're the most popular series out there right now people are searching for it. Now this is very interesting cuz I didn't know the number one way podcasts. What do you this one? Podcast subjects do you know are true crimes or crime stories? No, I didn't know that. Yeah, crime stories, celebrities have different crimes and make this whole series of bets certain crime stories, and that's number one on podcast. Spirituality but a subject of spirituality, which is big as what we're gonna do tonight is near death experiences. Yes, we're gonna do a series of near the experience, or we have a first guest tonight to talk about her near death experiences completely changed her and everyone reads his book changes. But then we have some other people coming on later on that Anita Moorjani many other people's that similar near death experiences. But of course, everyone that has when it's different because everybody's unique, Kelly? Oh,

Kellee White:

yes. And I think that our guest is has a really special story and a special message to share with everybody because she survived a near death experience. So James, how about if I read her bio for everybody? Yes, perfect. Okay, so our guests, Ellen were recently appeared in the documentary beyond the grave, which won the award for Best paranormal film of the year in 2003, at Cannes at the Cannes Film. I mean, this is amazing. And she shared her near death experience in that film. Ellen is the author of a book about her new near death experience called waking up in heaven, living with purpose through afterlife wisdom. And during her experience, she woke from a coma to music, and now she dedicates her life to using sound vibration and music to help people connect with their higher presence. She's a spiritual coach, musical therapist, sound healing practitioner, and she has a master's in transpersonal psychology. So please welcome everybody. Ellen were very yellow on the show.

James Van Praagh:

You came in with a lot of talents.

Kellee White:

Really, I think your story is really phenomenal.

Unknown:

Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here. I can't stop smiling. I

James Van Praagh:

did not match that Elon Musk supporting her and I are neighbors. We live in the same neighborhood.

Kellee White:

Yes. Well, you both live in the same neighborhood. And she and I both had head injuries.

James Van Praagh:

The beginning, please.

Kellee White:

Yes.

Unknown:

Oh, well. I used to love to ride horses as a child. And I there was a day with the Cinch slipped, and the horse stumbled and then I fell off the horse and it kicked me in the temple. And it was just a and then I went into a coma. I was in a coma at the hospital. And they transferred me to another hospital in Texas in the Dallas area with a neurological team that told my parents play things at my bedside. Right. They said try to stimulate the mind. So they were playing home movies. And then on this particular day, they were playing a cartoon a Disney movie that was 95% music.

Kellee White:

I have to know what what song that was. So we're talking about this.

Unknown:

Oh, this is what's great. My dad, my mom was so angry at my dad for choosing this one. Because of the irony. It was sleeping beauty. It was a Sleeping Beauty movie. It was dance. It was my favorite movies, one of my favorite movies as a child. So he you know, played that in the ICU next to my bed

Kellee White:

show brilliant of him.

Unknown:

I know. I know. And what's magic about is I didn't know any of that. But I was on the other side. I started on this raft that was in pink clouds. And I had Jesus in front of me and then a man to my left who was thin and bald and younger and had long brown robes and bare feet.

James Van Praagh:

And we grabbed her onto one second. So you hit with it in the head by the horse you blacked out.

Unknown:

Oh yeah.

James Van Praagh:

Well, you immediately the first conscious memory has been on a raft. Okay.

Unknown:

I remember so for me, that was where it kind of started for me. In fact, I don't even remember much that happened before my NBe I don't lose

Kellee White:

memory for your life. So you were 12 when you had your injury? Yeah,

Unknown:

yeah. So I don't remember birthday parties or first days in school or to change

Kellee White:

that happens actually that happened to me. I lost about 15 or 20 years. Yeah. Yeah.

Unknown:

So it was kind of starting over and music was the the catalyst for all of it because I was on this raft and then I was taken into golden light. I was taken into kind of this intermediate world of different colors and music but then I, the part that I remember the most was the golden light. And I had no body and it was all love. And it was I describe it as this warm blanket, full, full feeling around me, or my energy because there was no body. And then I just, I just became this light, I became the love. And that was the experience, it was less of a place and more of this feeling of being whole and connected. And there was no name for it. There was no judgment, there was no human concept at all, no consciousness in the way we think of it. And so I got to be that. And then I was taken back to the raft. And that's when I got to have the conversation. Do I want to come back where I want to stay?

James Van Praagh:

Wasn't with the conversation the light? Or wasn't with this figure? Or who was it with? Remember,

Unknown:

it was it was Jesus that was communicating through thoughts. Okay. The man on my left, I found out who he was when I went to grad school, and I'll tell you about that in a minute. Because that was amazing. Oh, and so, um, so I had no human construct, right? It could have been either way, there was no right or wrong. Honestly, I could have chosen either one. And I and my soul wanted to stay. My soul wanted to stay in the light and it felt whole. But then I was shown this trajectory of my father's path and, and my family's path, mostly my brothers, and that they wouldn't actualize their, their, their selves on this plan. Right, right on this planet, even though it would have been okay. Right. So I chose to come back. And it was in that moment that I was I was flooded with gratitude and human feeling like I got to do this, I got to live, I got to come back. This was a gift. I knew all at once. This is a gift. And I got the messages that we're here for a reason. And most of what we think about doesn't matter. And that we were here. Every time this experience, every experience has purpose. We all have purpose, we all have meaning. And all of these messages flooded through. And I was so overwhelmed with gratitude that I made a vow. I wanted to heal people with music. And for a lot a long time. I wouldn't tell people that. I wouldn't say that I was going to be healing people with music because it felt so egotistical, right. How can I heal people with music?

Kellee White:

Had you been a musician prior to this?

Unknown:

Well, I had taken piano lessons. And my mom was kind of a piano teacher for a while my aunt was but no, not necessarily. I mean, of course, I

James Van Praagh:

love your music. You think?

Unknown:

Well, I think I was given my gift. I think I've claimed it. I think I I knew in my soul body that that was my channel.

James Van Praagh:

That was the act that was activated. Kind of hmm, yeah. Yeah.

Unknown:

Interesting. And that was the gift. Because the moment I chose that, I felt just this experience of swelling of gratitude. Like oh, and I get to do that. And this is the cool part. The everything went dark right after that. And I found myself in this kind of womb like energy. And there was nothing but a staff of music in the distance. And each note had a different color. So it was a you know, animated kind of like, Oh, I'm watching this. And it went from being tiny to getting bigger and bigger and going through my head. And I couldn't hear anything until it went through my head. And then there was this like, I point down kind of to the right this tiny pinprick of light, but it was actually sound. And it was almost inaudible I could barely hear it. And so I focused everything that I had on that sound, until I could pull it into my my consciousness, I think I was bringing myself into my body. And it got so loud, that it was booming, and it was almost painfully loud. And it forced my eyes open and I was in the ICU and the credits of the movie with the music were playing at my bedside. So then, I just I flipped I slipped back out of consciousness. And then and then the full circle moment was when I went to a Buddhist university called Naropa it when I went into Transpersonal Counseling, and I saw a depiction of Buddha and he was a thin Buddha with long brown robes and note no shoes and that was the man on my left. So I came to this realization and I learned through the practices that Naropa with contemplative practices and meditation and altered states of consciousness work. That was that was my my how the my Y was the nd E and I woke up from comedy music and then I threw myself into playing the flute and become in performing I undergrad performance. Then I go to Naropa and I go through this Experience called the bony method of guided imagery and music. And that was the closest I've ever been to Heaven in my human body, because I left my body and went into the music. And now that's what I do for people. I see people I know Hi. So that's what I do, I use the music to help people connect to their higher self. So they can experience heaven on earth, through the music through the sound. And they're not getting the messages from me, though I do share messages. They're getting it directly from their own presence, and how beautiful right they get to get this experience of love. And that's my work. And that's my story.

Kellee White:

I love that you said to you made a point in an interview that I listened to you said that everything you do has got to resonate with that feeling, which I really appreciate it because that's the living your real truth in it.

Unknown:

And there are so many people that think of it in a backwards, they think of it like as a life review. Like when I get to the end of my life, and I look at my life, what are the things that I'm doing that are gonna make me connect and know that I lived in that light. And for me, it's a river, it's an N D review, where I go back to that feeling in the light. Does this have the same energy? And the bowls have that same energy that Bonnie method has that energy music has that energy that plant medicine has that energy, like oils and different types of plant medicine have that energy for me? And and that's how I live my life does this fit?

James Van Praagh:

Left around by saying that because it's just coming to my head and things pop out quickly? And that's the way of life and plant medicine and music? And how much important is the thought behind the intention? Do you think of like music therapy? And it totally adds a little extra but the thought behind it or?

Unknown:

Oh good intention is everything right? Just absolutely. If we talk about when we speak to water, and the crystals change, and then it it can be frozen, and we can see images in water, you know. And we hold that element of consciousness in our language and in our thoughts. So the discernment of thoughts like that's the That's it right? Like we let's stay on this is how we can have a practice of staying in positivity and then ascending through these higher life experiences. Yes, things are gonna happen. How do we frame it and stay in the consciousness of positivity and light as we go through this human experience that we're all here to be in till right? Yeah.

James Van Praagh:

100%? Yes. Yeah. I think as I speak, you speak with Kelly speaks the same language. Yeah, I pick one I have to remember is when you came back, and you said you played the flute, and you started playing music? Did your ability was Was this a fast? Was it a rapid ability to have learning music and playing music quickly? Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

Unknown:

It was. I mean, that was I didn't understand half the things people were saying, first of all, I mean, I didn't like my mom would tell me, she had the best advice. Just fake it till you make it smile and pretend you know, because I realized that I didn't understand the story. The story didn't matter. To me, what mattered was an energetic connection. And if I learned anything on the other side, it's that we do create our reality and that we get lost in the story. And so I would just connect energetically to people because I didn't often remember their names. I didn't know what they were talking about. It was confusing. And in the music, though, I could, I could be the music, and I just immersed myself in music all the time. And I it was a skill that came very quickly and very fast. And I was very successful with it. And I just, it was, it was my way of healing. And now I found out music can actually regenerate neurons, right? We can connect different sides of the brain through playing music. We can what is the phrase like? Music allows us what conscious thinking cannot it gives us the connection to that emotion?

Kellee White:

Yeah. Wow. So you talked about also about control, controlling your thoughts literally trying to controlling your thoughts. So if you're going down a negative Road, how do you switch it up?

Unknown:

So that came through my training at Naropa all this Buddhist philosophy of how when we have a negative thought I just see it lifting out of my head like at first it was a butterfly, see that like a butterfly if I'm driving because I get stressed out when I'm driving sometimes it just rolled on the windows, send it out the window, I've seen it consumed by a violet flame, you know, like this is the you know, violet flame or moving over the mountains or into the ocean, right? And then just allowing it to leave and replacing it with a positive thought has been a big practice. And I learned that through meditation.

Kellee White:

Yes, that's true. Yeah, that's so accurate. I noticed also that you talked about constantly in a state of reawakening. Oh yeah.

Unknown:

Oh my goodness. I feel like every opportunity Indian our life is an opportunity to reconnect with our source presence, right? So we come to this experience it good that in between everything is all a message of reconnection. So every experience in my life, I see the signs, I'm actively looking, I believe everything is a sign, everything can be seen. And then when you start seeing everything as a sign, the world becomes magic, like magic. And you realize that I could never make this up, like this. Name, this synchronicity, this flower, this dream, this whatever, like, this is happening to me, right? Like, that's what they say. They say, there are different stages of knowing like, this is happening to me, this is happening for me, this is happening through me. And then I got a download recently, it's of me, I have a great one. In me, it is of me, I write I talked about that. It is of our source experience, our divine presence within us that guides everything. And the more we can use everything in our environment, world life, to come more fully into that. That's the reawakening that we can always be cycling through.

James Van Praagh:

Wow, I have a quick just a basic question for you. Because I don't get to speak to many people. We don't get to speak many people like this. So I want to ask you something do you find each day, not how to how to put this to you that you have more gratitude each day, or when you look around. And you and I love lovely places San Diego and Sydney. It's beautiful. But the beach and we have nature here. Let's just say looking at trees you find you have more gratitude each day? Or does the nature come back to you and show you colors and you that you keep on growing with that self awareness? Just you know what I mean?

Unknown:

Well, we are humans like we are human. And so gratitude to me is a practice. It's something that that was another vow that I made before I came back was that I will give thanks every day for every experience that happens. Because I know everything has purpose. And that was a big part of my experience. So it's a practice every night before I go to bed, I think of what I can be grateful for. And I like some of the practices like what Jack Canfield says, where you stretch yourself every day, what is something new each day that I can be thankful for the most. And so then you're not saying the same things all the time, you're expanding your awareness of gratitude. I believe, in my experience, that gratitude is that closest feeling that helps me to access that place where I want that that is that it because if you really are in gratitude, you're not thinking about you're in it, your hearts just open. And there's this expansive feeling within the consciousness of the heart. And it it's it's just a way of being right. How would you

Kellee White:

describe the other side?

Unknown:

Ah, it was full. There was a fullness to it. There was a there was a connection. Everything was known, but everything didn't need to be known. If that makes sense. I remember when I came back. I said, Oh, I don't need to know the answer to that. And that was one way I could release thoughts. Even as a child, I'd be like, Well, I'm wondering are worried about this grade or this friend or this relationship? And like, I can figure that out when I'm gone. When I'm on the other side. It doesn't matter. Because it it is like it feels like in a way our thoughts are our greatest gift. And they also can be a distraction from the present of what is living in that

James Van Praagh:

rom das talks about the mind being our karma?

Unknown:

Yes. Rom Das was a big, like, influence at Naropa.

James Van Praagh:

I love rom Das, I used to do workshops with Ron Das, I loved him. Great. Great,

Kellee White:

great. Yes. Well, it'd be a message that she would offer for everybody right now during this period of life that we're going through a rough

James Van Praagh:

time right now in this world. What do you say to people having a rough time and just generally speaking? Well,

Unknown:

I say to please remember that everything has purpose and meaning. And that we can create we can co create with source and the more that we really open ourselves to receive that energy to get out of the thinking mind to allow gratitude and to live in a higher consciousness. The more experiences we can call in at the frequency in which we want to live basically. So whether it's through listening to music, or dancing, or community or spiritual practices, like meditation, or even for me, you know, it's just the practice of releasing negative thoughts and replacing them If anything more

James Van Praagh:

things aren't

Unknown:

so good, right? It's a good one. I like it transmutes everything, right? That joy, anything, everything, the more we can live in that joy, and we can start to live in gratitude, the more we can create more to be grateful for, and it's really true. And I think there are other ways that we that we can learn to listen more purposefully to our presence, because each person is their own greatest guru and to seek outside of yourself for the answers is, it can be very misleading and confusing. But if you can find a practice that takes you in direct communication with your higher self, and you allow that higher self to live through every experience, to breathe through you to taste and smell, to do art to listen, and that that presence is actually experiencing life through your human. That's the greatest message I think I would send. That's, that's it?

Kellee White:

What would a session look like with you?

James Van Praagh:

Yeah, that's it's a music session, right? Kelly would be like a music, we just start with a music therapy session, or when someone comes to you for a session, what is that you work there?

Unknown:

Well, the private session is amazing. So we start with intentions, intentions are the most important part. And I'm working a lot with the water element right now with intention and moving light through the body through the water element within us. So we start with intention, I use an essential oil to pay

James Van Praagh:

for interrupting, but people come to you for therapy, or for marriage problems, or for psychic readings, or what have they come to you for

Unknown:

they come to connect with their higher presence. They come in, enhance their intuitive abilities, they come to deal with grief, sometimes with when they need a choice need to make a choice in life. It's mostly spiritual coaching. But I have worked with a lot of people who come and they want to understand their pain and have a connection, more connection with their body and let it go

James Van Praagh:

that pain is assumed to write a lot of relief, or they probably really suffered no, they had inside them once you start working on him, right? Oh,

Unknown:

my goodness, yet. Yeah, they want to come and have an experience of the light, they want to feel that energy, that euphoric that and have messages from their guides, or from a loved one past that they can get directly and that does happen, or their higher self, or they want to see a past life so that they can slide that's another thing very present right now. And, and for me, the way it works for me because I channeled through the music. So we do intention, we do oils to partner the to make an association, a psychological association with a positive intention. And the brain, right, so we do that we bring in like the sensory experience, then we go into an induction of light. Now this is when I bring in messages. So I'll see a light ray coming down. And it will it will take different forms in different colors, it moves into the tissues of the brain, it removes like energy, it clears and transmutes the body from above, right. And then their energy tends to like go into the earth to ground into the earth, the earth tends to open, spread that light across the globe for healing. And then we move into the process of the imagery. So first, there's a clearing with sound, color light. And then this download of light that I see. And they usually see for themselves. Then we start a music program. It's a classical music program, this is online or in person, the music program allows them to tap into the unconscious mind. So then they'll start to travel, they'll see different scenes, it's kind of like a play Scene one, there'll be in a place where they need to receive some information. When they receive the information, the feeling they're supposed to receive. They go to another place and they're met, they usually ascend in their experience, like, well, they'll go up, they'll start at a field, and then they'll receive the peaceful calm feeling, then the next will be like, they'll get wings and fly up into the light, they'll feel and get an experience in that realm. Then they'll move up and they might meet with an Ascended Master or a guide or a loved one passed, they might even then this is the point where source works through them, right I'm holding space I'm I'm taking notes of everything that I'm seeing and everything they're seeing because they're in an altered state. And this is the cool part. So then, if their intention is to heal ancestral trauma, they might be holding that in the body so they might feel something in the body. So we go back into the body, we ask the body what it needs. We channel it from that place of higher presence into the body like this is what you need. This is what you need, give it love, give it light or give it confusion or give it all your fear. We're funneling in what it asked for so that we can go to the next level of understanding in the body. Usually when the person is funnel Light into their body, I know they've reached the final level in the body. And then they're taken back up again, they start seeing visions, they start getting messages, they see a loved one passed with a message for them. Sometimes their entire ancestral line will circle around them and give them a get like that session. And then at the end of the session, I do a reading with them, I tell them what came through. For me. It's actually a two hour process.

James Van Praagh:

That's the session my

Unknown:

this is a big session, I do smaller ones too, but then I'll go large ones. I've had people who have not understood like what's happening in my life. Now in my relationship, that go into a past life, they found one of my clients found out she had been choked in a past life. And she wasn't able to use her voice in this life. So I combined the psychological tool of parts work with past life regression, we clear the past life, we come back and I said, Okay, now that part of you has integrated in your personality, she's been keeping her will. She said it was keeping her from freedom. Okay, let's use your voice. Let's imagine how you can give her another role in your life so that she's helping you be more free. So it switches the role. If you're familiar with that, you know, psycho psychological work, parts work internal family systems. And you'll know this is and we do workshops, twice, once or twice a month in the bath, backyard, by the pool with breathwork bowls, a lot be there. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, that would be we just had one last week where someone from Ireland was visiting for a week. And she just showed up, we did this and people just the next Oh, my God was magic. And then we had five practitioners. And then the next day, we kind of met him promptly and people just started showing up to the house ringing the doorbell because they heard we were all doing this again. So anyways,

James Van Praagh:

this is like Kelly.

Kellee White:

I've been there. But it is fascinating because she is near you. You should have definitely have an experience. Please may never be an extraordinary James.

James Van Praagh:

Yeah, I have a question for you. And also like when you meet somebody and forgive me for my ignorance here. But when you meet somebody, you're obviously extremely intuitive with that. And especially when you meet them, you're open, and you become aware right way to become aware of a sound or music that's vibrating just for them or colors? Or do you pay attention to what they wearing or their auric field. Tell me about that.

Unknown:

Oh, lots of ink coming through. Lately, I've been seeing a lot of geometric patterns around people sacred geometry has been really big right now, colors come through to me, the colors have specific meaning to me. So I usually know what it means. Sometimes a loved one past will come through prior to his session, especially and then it'll be a profound moment for me. And that's always a way to help them connect more with their presence, right. So whatever it is for them. And then before a client comes through, and in the moment, usually in the session, I'll get a download about which music program I need to use, whether it's like past life, or there's recollections, there's grief, there's transitions, there's peak experience, which I highly recommend the classical music in that one. And I'll just I'll be told in that moment, and then the light, so I get to see where the light goes in the person. And then I know like today, my client came in. And it was the first time I've ever seen this. The light came through it connected to her heart to take her out of the head and into the heart. And to know the knowledge within the heart. And it connected her heart with her throat in her third eye in this geometric pattern that connected the three which highly related to her intention, right. And then I saw a vision of her future where she was a healer, and she was healing others and teaching others and her intention was like to find her purpose. But I don't share that in the moment. I see that I take notes. And then she received her vision on her own, and a lot of like animal totems come through. So yeah, it comes through whatever way works for the client, basically, but in the sessions in the backyard. I mean, that is like the last channel channel.

James Van Praagh:

Yeah, that group dynamic to which really brings up in that space. I mean, my goodness,

Unknown:

oh, list thing happens in groups. It's like each person's guides are communicating with my guides. So basically, I'm just leaving the imagery. I'm like, Oh, now we're taken to a book. I don't know why. And then one time, I mean, this happens all the time. Right. One time I was told to focus on the liver. There was so much clearing of the liver. afterwards. I said that's never happened before and this woman sort of crying she had come from out of town she was the recipient of a donor for a liver. He had come to clear she didn't say this at the beginning she opened clear the energy of the dough. Winner. Wow. I know. And then and then but it's really about the experience of the the workshop participants because they'll have like, collective consciousness is fabulous. Yeah, I agree. Like three people will see a poppy field, there's like three people will see a little white two people want a little white dog with a red bow on its neck. And then they were like, I don't know why it was there. And the guy across the circle pulled out a picture and he said, I came here to greet my dog on the neck and I was like, so and and then oh, in some workshop, I'm sorry. I'll stop talking. So

Kellee White:

now we love this is great.

Unknown:

Some workshops will all have a collective role, and we won't know it till we get there. Like there'll be there was once a group of eight. It was a small group. I'm like, is this a small group. Let's see how it goes. I love it. So one of the participants who had never done anything like this before was like the holder of the earth. And another Amanda masters, she was like holding the energy of the light. And she got visions of like all of us in this place of light. Another one was holding the ancestral Another one was a cosmic like galactic realm holder, we all had a role we came out of it and started to process what just happened because we were all transported to this other place, the energy was full and healing and beautiful. And like we were crying from the beauty. And we each had this role in this collective raising of consciousness. And this was the one where all the grids of the mountains on the earth all connected to each other. It's just like, and that was right after Mount Shasta. That's right after we had led the retreat in Shasta, of course.

James Van Praagh:

Oklahoma, when you do these groups dynamics, do you start with music? Or no? Are you doing meditation with them? Or has that been

Unknown:

my partner work together and he's an amazing breathwork practitioner. So your

James Van Praagh:

breath we're not music? Or do you

Unknown:

know we do the music, it's like, it is all it's everything. So we do we clear with toning through the voice, which is the voice right now is really, really important for for us to connecting to clear. We do the singing bowls, beautiful bowl, then we go into a breath work. It's just a very light and like connective breath work. And then I do the music program after that. And we travel as a group in like we travel is what I say, as a group. All together, things come through for each participant. And we leave 30 minutes for me to give readings at the end. And to help people understand what colors come through, like, you know, like green is heart. And then we've got the the yellow of the warrior energy and like self autonomy and all that self discipline. And then a lot of teal and turquoise has been coming through. And that lactic healing that's been coming through since you know for a while, and then the iridescent array now. So I'll see different colors. The iridescent Ray has been the most fascinating for me, because when it comes through, I see this like shiny white liquid light that like it looks back that like it's liquid dial soap, but it's backlit and it has this rainbow sheen. And I remember that's one I've never seen before. So I reached out to my mentor, and I write a lot about her in my book. And I said what is this mean? And she said, and this is so beautiful. She said that's the that is actually not spoken about much. But it's the array of creating advanced civilizations, the Masters in to help create advanced civilization. And that's where we are right now we are on the precipice of this golden age. Like everything that's coming through, we're moving into a space of living through the heart, and the heart is going to lead us into this and that. So when I had that validation, I thought oh my gosh, we are really doing something here. We really are.

Kellee White:

It's just all part of making heaven on earth. Yes,

Unknown:

yes, absolutely. I believe that I am. Oh, hi, Amanda. I believe that, that I am here to help people connect their presence to bring their heaven to earth to help them with that. However, that looks for them. I think we all have that ability. And I think as a consciousness, we are going to expand our awareness exponentially in the next few years. I mean, it's going to be a whole different world. And it's going to be beautiful. I really believe that I see that for us.

Kellee White:

I believe that too. Yeah,

Unknown:

yeah. Even though we have to look at the shadow to move through it. But how do we handle it? Like how do we how do we shift the consciousness around that? Yeah,

James Van Praagh:

I'm just gonna mention your book again, which I called waking up in heaven, which you should all and there's a longer name to the Baikal Lake camp in heaven, and you should go on Amazon or everywhere else is Barnes and Noble and read it because it's really an Amazing book. There it is. And it sounds short. It's really I've written many near death experiences. It's a really unique when I first heard the music, and so much, and let me ask you, Ellen so if you didn't have that near death experience, would you be doing the work you're doing today? No way

Unknown:

that I would because but here's the thing, that near death experience was all part of the plan, like a horse and I had a contract. I've spoken to it now, though, because the horse had to be put down after that. And I was felt so guilty, you know, guilty about that, like, oh, but um,

James Van Praagh:

maybe your horses your guide now? Yeah. Oh,

Unknown:

yes.

James Van Praagh:

And what do you believe in the word accidents? Do you believe there are such things as accidents?

Unknown:

I think everything is purposeful. And everything is meant to help us connect more deeply with our presidents. I mean, I don't think I would have to answer your question. No, I don't think I'd be doing what I'm doing without the near death experience. Because I don't think I'd be here without it. I mean, I don't I think I came into this embodiment. I've seen my previous lives where I died by head injury. This embodiment was for me to overcome that. And to use that experience to help others connect with their hearts and

James Van Praagh:

raise your frequency, raise your vibration, so you'll be able to receive from those higher realms, right?

Unknown:

Absolutely. What a gift you know.

Kellee White:

Now I know you have children aren't how do they respond to what's about that? Yeah,

James Van Praagh:

I have and how old are they? Oh, I

Unknown:

have three kids. I have a sophomore in college, a senior that's graduating this week, and I have a 12 year old. And they are amazing. I'm learning through I talk about motherhood as being a practice for staying in, in presence, right. And that how my children have been a healer for me, and how I used the experience of mothering them to help teach people how to connect with their higher self because they wouldn't be going to bed and they'd be afraid. And we talk about the ley lines between the heart, the invisible string that connects us even when we're, or we talk about protection, like put a bubble around yourself. These were like developing some skills. Each experience in my life allowed me to help develop what I want to give back to the world, which is here's how you protect yourself. Okay. When you get in these thoughts is Colin, your spirit guide. I mean, my daughter loved marine animals, like beluga whales was one. And then the, my daughter was like a white with this, like a white leopard. Snow Leopard. Right? The snow was another and so and then now my son like he's, he's more aware of the spiritual world than I ever was. At any age. Like, I mean, I just I'm blown away by these children. That's amazing.

Kellee White:

And how did your parents handle this new awakening, which was oh, good costume,

James Van Praagh:

Kelly, most curious. years old, and this happened, right? So you still forming?

Unknown:

They've been so supportive. And it's just, you know, they hold space for it. And I talk about that, you know, they helped me to recover and understand how I could be in these gifts and also exist in the world.

Kellee White:

So then you wouldn't you know that you pick that family?

James Van Praagh:

I'm just gonna say yeah, obviously, right? You've had to pick them. Yeah. Oh, for

Unknown:

sure. And that in there's a there's a skill set, like coming back from a near death experience, that integration part is not always easy. And it takes years. Oh, and so my parents were able to help me like, Okay, stay in your spiritual self. And here's how you interact with the world and help people understand it. I thought were really

Kellee White:

good. Very good. Yeah. It

James Van Praagh:

was really interesting one about did you get experience of octaves of light as music on the other side.

Unknown:

So I have seen that vision since in the last. Like, ever since I went through a very difficult divorce at the beginning of COVID. It was a reawakening for me, and what I thought was devastation at the time, because I had so identified, right, I self identified as a mother and a wife, I needed to dis identify with that part of my ego so I could find myself again. And I kind of forgot the quote, oh, the octopus of light. So I saw in a vision that there were these vibrations of source large vibrations that intersect and then we are smaller vibrations, and the sound and energy that comes from that was something that I could experience in here. But what I learned was that we as humans, and this is kind of about the octave of light, but we as human, create our own vibrations through what we create in the world. So let our to music, even cooking, talking, communicating, these are smaller vibrations that are needed from us. Because higher vibrations source are too big to create those. So we're continually expanding the universe through vibration and sound, if that makes any sense,

James Van Praagh:

makes total sense. And I love the word fresh. Continue, please. Isn't that exactly what you're saying? But it's done, it's presented so well as your portrait.

Unknown:

I love it because I don't always understand like the the theological reasons behind what I see. But it helps me to understand and make sense of it too. And when I do my work, yes, like sound is huge sound comes through octaves, I believe there are different octaves of light that sometimes experiencers reach different levels of octaves of light. And I believe that we as humans can access it through these types of practices that we do, you know, spiritual work, coming to get a reading, like connecting with their presence through color, I think colors a bit.

James Van Praagh:

Let me interrupt when I was like, and it gets more and more every day. And when I see people now many times, if I let myself fully go there, I'm aware of the color of their thoughts when they have thoughts, and what the thoughts look like, you know, what the makeup of that thought was around square? Is it designed to it? I become aware of that now, maybe because I've been in the forest for so long. But it's really interesting. Besides light this shape and form, I'm fine to not everyone, of course, it's easy to see it from other people. But have you probably had that as well, it was I

Unknown:

mean, the the sacred geometry has been very interesting, because I do believe that that is a form of communication from source and that it comes through in these patterns. And when we think about patterns in life and shifting thought patterns, right? Yeah, we think oh, well, just so like I have people imagine that they see this field of patterns outside of them, that are all connected to each other, right, but are reshaping themselves in repatterning themselves, as if we are shifting, literally shifting the patterns of our life and life experiencing. So this is I think a manifestation tool to these patterns, you're seeing the patterns that are seeing around them that they can manipulate and change or through their connection to Source obviously, right?

James Van Praagh:

But that being said, said that the universe is measured by numbers, what is your feeling on that those numbers have to do with these also these images? What what do you feel the word numbers play into this?

Unknown:

There's power and information and numbers. And I think that they're deeper and deeper dimensions that we as human can never really understand. But if we're seeking information, we can look at numbers and numerology and all these things. And of course, there's wisdom in them. There's so much wisdom we can access with whatever our passion connects with. And some of you totally agree.

James Van Praagh:

Yeah, totally agree with that one. That's like an overly forgot. It's very true. Yeah.

Kellee White:

Yeah. Yeah. Lisa wants to know about vibrations of sound and color that are related to our auras. Oh, that's interesting. Oh,

Unknown:

absolutely. I mean, I think that that that happened to me in meditation class at Naropa. It was really interesting. I started seeing colors around people and I thought I had unlocked this amazing gift. And I'm like, Oh, my gosh, I see colors. I see auras. I've always wanted to and I went to my medicine. I went to my instructor and I said, What do I do with this? You know, kind of feeling specialist she's like, that is a distraction is taking you away from your present moment. Not to say that it's not true because they do exist. But that's just my funny little aura story. But yeah, I think everyone shines with an aura I think it's very important. It can be very colors are very interesting. Like, I think violets cleansing and connection to Source, I think Indigo, blue is connection to intuition, we've got the white as well, then the the nurturing energy of the oranges they can be used, these colors can be used with intention to shift things in the different energy centers in and around the body. And I think that our auras can be very interesting to learn about, and I'm fascinated with them. I wish I knew more.

James Van Praagh:

And when you were when you were a little girl, Alan, what was your desire to do? What would you want to do in the world? To remember what what you grew up? What do you want to be?

Unknown:

I mean, well, after my near death experience, I just knew I

James Van Praagh:

was out reporting earlier this year. He says, curious, have you had any thoughts about what you were going to do when you grow up before you had your near death experience?

Unknown:

You know, I don't really remember before my near death experience. Sure, but I can definitely ask my family. I think my purpose really just formed in that experience itself, you know, probably service

James Van Praagh:

of some kind healer or you know, health work or something. Sure. You know,

Unknown:

all I know is they said I had a good child Didn't it was pretty hilarious

James Van Praagh:

What is your birthday man?

Unknown:

July 6 And I my my I go off of my near death experience date and my birthday for astrology it kind of flipped back and forth because what was your Near Death Experience

Kellee White:

date?

Unknown:

September 29.

Kellee White:

No Archangel Michael's birthday

Unknown:

isn't really my work a lot. Yeah,

Kellee White:

me too. I had a near death experience. I had a head injury. And so because of that I started working with Archangel Michael and, and I love that you're talking about sacred geometry and the images because only recently when I do sessions have I been seen? Yes. Sacred. I don't even know how to explain geometry pieces. People in front of people on site of people all over the people. Yeah. And it's only been I'm going to tell you in the last two to three months. Yeah. Okay. Did you too Yeah,

Unknown:

in the last month. And that's why these something's happening here. something's

Kellee White:

changing.

Unknown:

something's changing the and then then a lot of downloads about water. Of course, the CON talk

Kellee White:

about water week because we got off track on that talking about water was. So

Unknown:

there I was told by VEDA VEDA, Austin is who I follow with her work on water where she'll freeze a Petri dish. And she found that when she was freezing the petri dish over an image, it would take, it would create, it would trace the letters or trace the art underneath the petri dish. And then it would freeze in that crystal formation. And so she started doing studies of like speaking to water, she said, water, who are you? And then the water would, right? I am in the frozen petri dish. Wow, she's like getting all of this, right. So I'm fascinated with that. But I got the download. And she asked me to talk about my near death experience on her show. And I told her about how I experienced the light. And I worked with bringing these light rays through. And she told me that just as water spins before it's about to boil, she had learned that water spins upon the moment of death in the human body and seems to be lifting. And the idea is that potentially, the soul body may be connecting through the water element of our human right. So I was like, whoa, okay, this fits with everything. Because how else is the water getting through. So now I work with the light coming through the water element in the brain fluid and the spinal fluid in the blood. The points of light coming on in the body, this was done to me. So I'm just absolutely fascinated. And I've been using speaking to my water in the shower, I say I love it. You know, Dr. Emoto. His work, talks about school formation, we know that. It's just fascinating that water and we found to and this is what I've been hearing lately, as water is older than the sun. So the consciousness of water, like it can transport messages through our body, it can it can speak to our soul body, there's something about it, that is truly conscious, it can even heal itself when it's you know, it's out in her new book, she has a new book. So I want to give her a plug for that. Because this is where you can find the research where she will put you know, put it next to a 5g And two years ago that water couldn't really be measured. Well, it didn't seem to be I don't know the frequency, whatever she's measuring. But then more recently, she's tested the, the water by the 5g, and it's recovering. It's healing itself and a couple of hours. Yeah, and just we're like a drop, like a drop of water in the ocean changes the frequency of all of it. And we breathe water. We Are Water everything. Right?

Kellee White:

Yeah. Which would explain why the full moon really gets us, you know, are everything changing? Absolutely. I

James Van Praagh:

want to say this too, but we're out of time. But would you mind be a guest come back with us some time? Because there's so much we'd love to share and hearing from you and

Kellee White:

everybody gets her book. I mean, yeah, it's amazing and your story and your living your life purpose.

Unknown:

I am I am. This is kind of a close interpretation of what I saw on the other side, too. So that's kind of cool. My cover shows a little bit about

James Van Praagh:

that as well. Right? I like to do workshops, workshops

Unknown:

once or twice a month we travel we do this work for any who anyone who wants to have us come and then James if you'd love

James Van Praagh:

my house, I could do to my place. Well, they were totally consider yourself in Kelly. Okay,

Kellee White:

I'll be there. You know, I will. Thanks, Ellen. Really appreciate thank you so much, Alan for.

James Van Praagh:

Bye bye, everyone. Bye, everybody.