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Heal Your Trauma TODAY! Somatic Experiencing with Dr. Peter Levine | James Van Praagh

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Today we discuss the biggest trauma healing secret - somatic experiencing. See how Albert Einstein himself reveals the key to trauma and the mind that's changing lives!
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Did you know Albert Einstein's spirit is alive and well? What can his spirit tell us? Tune in with James Van Praagh and Kellee White as Dr. Peter A Levine shares his shocking experience with Albert Einstein as his spirit guide from before birth. He shares all of his secrets to trauma healing that have changed lives all over the world, and revelations in healing the body and spirit. Don't miss out on one of the most effective remedies to healing trauma - somatic experiencing. Hear more about Dr. Peter Levine's spiritual experiences through family generations and encounters with divine synchronicities throughout his life.

Peter A Levine, Ph.D., is the developer of Somatic Experiencing®, a naturalistic and neurobiological approach to healing trauma. He holds doctorates in both Biophysics and Psychology. He is the Founder and President of the Ergos Institute for Somatic Education and the Founder and Advisor for Somatic Experiencing International. Dr. Levine is the author of several best-selling books on trauma, including Waking the Tiger, Healing Trauma (published in over 29 languages) and his most recent book, An Autobiography Trauma: A Healing Journey. He has received Lifetime Achievement awards from Psychotherapy Networker and from the US Association for Body-Oriented Psychotherapy. He continues to teach trauma healing workshops internationally. Learn more at https://www.somaticexperiencing.com/

Peter's new book, An Autobiography of Trauma: A Healing Journey is available here: https://www.somaticexperiencing.com/se-books

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James Van Praagh is hailed worldwide as a pioneer of the mediumship movement and is considered one of the most widely recognized and accurate spiritual mediums working today.

A “survival evidence medium,” he provides evidential proof of life after death through highly detailed messages from the spiritual realm. He is recognized annually on Watkins List of the 100 Most Spiritually Influential Living People – a prestigious list of spiritual teachers, activists, authors, and thinkers.

For over three decades, Van Praagh’s messages have brought comfort and peace to millions. He has worked with international heads of state, religious world leaders, and celebrities including Cher, Goldie Hawn, Shirley Maclaine, Ellen DeGeneres, Joan Rivers, Katie Couric, Loretta Lynn, Chelsea Handler, Jennifer Love Hewitt, Wesley Snipes, and so many more. 

The #1 New York Times best-selling author of over a dozen international best-sellers, including his debut, Talking to Heaven, Van Praagh’s book titles include: Talking To Heaven, Reaching to Heaven, Healing Grief, Heaven and Earth, Looking Beyond, Meditations, Ghosts Among Us, Unfinished Business, Growing Up In Heaven, Adventures of the Soul, How to Heal a Grieving Heart, and The Power of Love.

Throughout his career, James Van Praagh has appeared on countless national radio and television shows including The Oprah Winfrey Show, Larry King Live, Dr. Phil, 48 Hours, The View, The Joy Behar Show, Chelsea Lately, Coast to Coast AM, and many more. 
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James Van Praagh:

Hello everybody and welcome to Life death beyond. I'm James, I'm with my good friend Kelly white. Hello, Kelly. Hi, James or hello, everybody for a lower everyone's very excited, exciting, we explore lots of different topics about life after death and beyond the different levels of consciousness and awareness and ultimate types of things. And tonight, we have an incredible guest, Peter Levine. And Kelly, I'm going to have you introduce his background since is more new your way of your field in a way, in a way you know, I My goal has always been to put together spirituality with psychology. And I was really fortunate to get to meet Dr. Peter Levine, our special guest tonight through our dear friend, Dr. Shirley and Pillsbury. And she introduced me to Peter years ago and his work on trauma, and I've been so touched by it for years. So we're so thrilled that he's going to be a guest tonight, but let me tell people who who aren't may not be familiar with his work

Kellee White:

about Peter. So I'm gonna just tell you a short bio here about Peter. Dr. Peter Levine is the developer of somatic experiencing. That's a naturalistic and neurobiological approach to healing trauma. He holds doctorates in both biophysics and psychology. He is the founder and president of the urgos Institute for somatic education, and the founder and advisor for Somatic Experiencing International. Dr. Levine is the author of several best selling books on trauma, including waking the tiger healing trauma, which has been published in over 29 languages. And his most recent book, An Autobiography of trauma. There we go, a healing journey and it is fantastic. He's received lifetime achievement awards, from psychotherapy networker, and from the US association for body oriented psychotherapy. He continues to teach trauma healing workshops internationally. Now, Dr. Levine's incarnation on Earth, I have to say has changed the way we all view trauma, the way we view healing and the way we view therapy. And the quote that is that Peter has said, as trauma is perhaps the most avoided, ignored, belittled, denied, misunderstood and untreated cause of human suffering. So we are pleased to welcome Dr. Peter Levine.

Dr Peter Levine:

Good to be with you. Hello. Nice to have you. Thank you for being our guest tonight. Are you looking forward? Oh, we loved your book. I mean, James and I all week have been talking about your book, we just, it has just moved both of us so much. Wow. Thank you so much in there about that. I mean, we both can relate everyone can relate to but connections like really strong in there. About, you know, where you lived in the Bronx growing up, my father lived there certain experiences you had with trauma growing, I had very similar being in your book about being vulnerable and opening up to the public about your vulnerability, which is something I had to do. I'm sure Kelly had to. And you really, that really moved me even writing the book, or the very beginning the preface, I was really moved and said, I'm sharing these words with you, reader. And, you know, you don't know what's going to happen. But you put it all out there. You put your truth out there. I applaud you.

Unknown:

And your work has helped so many people, generationally, Peter, generationally. Could you tell us a little bit everybody who doesn't know your work? Could you tell us about how this all came about for you? What, how you started? And with that, yeah, well,

Dr Peter Levine:

it goes back to that 1966 or there abouts. I was working with a number of men who had high blood pressure. And I found that relaxing a certain sequence of muscles and the jaw and the neck and the throat. Sometimes the blood pressure would drop 1015 20, even 30 occasionally even 40 points. So I kind of pursued that. And but then what I was more observant. What would come up when I was doing those exercises, were all kinds of events which we would now call trauma that occurred to them and that they were overwhelmed by at different times in their life. Now when I started developing somatic experience in 1969 to the mid 1970s. That was way before the definition of trauma as PTSD from the diagnostic manuals. And so I didn't know thankfully that a trauma was supposed to be a brain disorder, maybe even a brain disease that at best could be managed with with drugs with medication. And with helping people Change their negative thoughts. So I discovered it was something that really actually happened in the body. So I mean, you think of an example, you go outside, and you see somebody's been injured, fallen off a bicycle and been injured, while your brains recognizes injury, and is very responding. And so you get a twisting in your gut. And then you look into see that, well, gosh, you that may be really badly hurt, of course, you call for the ambulance first. But then the gut twists even more. So what's going on here is yes, the brain recognizes different kinds of threat, and especially to injury. When I've worked with a number of military people, Marines and army people, you know, they were much more traumatized by seeing somebody wounded than being wounded themselves. So anyhow, our brain recognizes that and sends that signal there's a nerve, it's called the vagus nerve now do my by my biophysics bit. And this nerve is the largest nerve in the body by far. It's an enormous nerve, and vagus comes from the Latin root vagabond, which means the wanderer. So this nerve goes down in two cavities, down below the diaphragm, and innervates, all of the arm of our gastrointestinal system, and also our heart and our lungs. And this is a two way information highway. And what I mean by that is, it turns out that and Darwin, Charles Darwin actually recognize this back in the 1860s, that this nerve is primarily afferent sensory. In other words, it's actually taking information from our guts, and relaying that information up to our brains. So let's go back to the injury example, we see the injury, the motor part of the vagus nerve, twists, our guts. And then that twisting, gets picked up by those sensory fibers and the 80% of that goes back up to the brain and amplifies that. So we go from. And then maybe that night, we lay down in bed, and we notice our guts are tight. And then we see pictures from that event. And, and, of course, most something like this, it'll pass. But when this has been repeated, and where there's been a high degree of, of overwhelm, and helplessness, it gets stuck. And so when I, what I discovered, when I learned was that the way to change that is changing the information that's coming from our guts back up to the brain, which says, It's all clear. Yeah, that that event is over, it belongs, it's in the past where it belongs. But how we do that, that's a bit of a trick. And so for many years, I tried to find out how I could get that new signal coming from the guts. And I came across a actually a very, very simple exercise, which stimulates those receptors in the gut and sends the all clear message up through the sensory part of the vagus nerve. And then right we reregulate ourselves down regulate ourselves. So and if you want, we can do this together, it may open up different sensations, feelings, many people feel feelings of spaciousness, spaciousness of openness. Sometimes they related to spiritual experiences that they may have had. And again, I don't want anybody to do it, it feels to if it feels too much, but the idea if you wish to do it with me, and I'll demonstrate it is taken easy, full breath. And on the exhalation back the sound Xu, vibrating it as though it's well coming from the belly, vibrating it in the belly. And then let the breath and the sound go all the way out. And then wait for the next breath to come in filling belly and chest and then repeat. So I'll do it once and then we can do it together. So easy, easy progress. Whoo

Unknown:

hoo.

Dr Peter Levine:

Moving at the breath and the sound all the way out and let the breath come in filling belly and chest. And once again, whoo, whoo hoo. Good. And just notice just that we'll be curious sensations, feelings, thoughts, images, whatever comes up whatever arises in your awareness. If you want to share what you might have noticed, I just had clarity, I felt clarity is the best way to describe it. That's typical. I'm typical, this, for me, it was very calming and calming. Often people experience warmth or vibration, tingling, energy moving in their body, many different kinds of sensations, just by doing this one simple exercise which took outside one one minute, to at the very most. And so again, what you know, there's a saying that Archimedes, he wrote that if you find a place, if I can find a place Falken to put my lever, I can move the world. It's great. And I think some of these type of interventions having to do with the body is really about that. It's finding that place to find the fulcrum so that you can move out of those stuck places that have those states of hyper arousal, sympathetic adrenal or vagal shutdown. And then it seems so simple. I think the truth is very simple. But humans want to make it more complex. Do you find that to be true? Yes. Oh, yeah. No, it's very, very simple. It's very simple juicer. Very simple. And I loving the book, you talk the term body memory, which I think is fabulous by memory. Trauma, it's pretty good. Love that one. Yeah. Bear with you. Also, before you came on the show week, months ago, I guess Kelly would say months ago, I saw a documentary on Einstein on Netflix, very good about the bomb. You must have seen

James Van Praagh:

that to Kelly, I don't tell you how we came across, as Einstein is a guide to someone. Yeah. And he's around and then. And it was about two days later that I was reading your book. And you talked about Einstein being your guide. Yeah. So it all came together here. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Would you mind sharing that experience? That's probably a good place to start. Because it's great.

Dr Peter Levine:

stuff. There's stuff in the book that are difficult, but this one was probably one of the most moving experiences in my life. And your description, this incredible, by the way, the mat, vivid imagination you called active imagination. So tell everybody about your experience, please. I will, I will. So this was around in the early 70s. I was starting to work with a group of Berkeley therapists to try to teach them what I was doing. So they could then you know, learn how to do it. And so I would meet with them every week or every other week and my called up my tree house in Wildcat Canyon. And, and then I was also doing my doctoral work in medical biophysics, which was quite a challenge. I mean, the academic world can be vicious. So anyhow, at the end of the day, I went down to my favorite restaurant on San Pablo Avenue called the Beggars Banquet. I did a reading just this last Sunday at a real bookstore. It turned out, there was a woman sitting in the front, she looked about my age. And she also lived on San Pablo Avenue. And that was her favorite restaurant. Oh my god, what was great confirmation is exactly the synchronicities. They're adorable. Anyhow, anyhow. So I would come there and the waitress was newbie by name, they were very kind. And they would sit me down and use the same table as a table with two chairs. And usually I would start with a bowl, this warm soup, along with some French bread, some crunchy on the outside, soft and moist on the inside. And like all of my troubles, and my disenchantment from the day kind of receded, and I just kind of felt deeply nourished. So one day, I'm sitting there with my perennial bowl of soup, and there's a movement off to my left shadow, and I look up quickly. And I see a man with crazy unruly hair, and wearing a sports jacket like three times to size for him, and all crumpled up. And he points to the other chair. And so I assume he's wanting me to invite him and I do I point to the chair, yes, please sit down and then I realized this was Albert Einstein and have Remember, I'm coming from a, at this time, a scientific background. And but I was also very open to other possibilities to other realms. And there's something I believe Carl Jung was the one who first named it called active imagination. And it's really a way the conscious and unconscious minds can work together can cooperate together. And I did a little research on that, and I learned, they need to unlearn that active imagination is only something that children do adult and can't do that anymore. And I remember thinking can adults needed more than anyone else? So at least I had a scientific basis, maybe from a phenomenological, but as but a scientific basis, that these weren't real encounters. And so for about a year, we would have these meetings, and I would ask him questions. And then he would ask me questions about my questions, right. This is kind of like the method of Socrates Socratic method of inquiry, you and so. But that really, really bolstered my explorations. Because the questions he asked about my questions really took me to the next step. And then finally, at the end of that year, I was noticing that it was working with people, and it's not things just that happened to them in this lifetime. But things that have happened to their parents, their grandparents, a great great grandparents, and great, great, great, great grandparents and all of their insistence that was impacting them in a profound level. So I, I asked the professor, I asked Einstein about that. And he looked at me, I could see he was deeply touched, because I know it, it had some meaning for him. So it's like in a dream within a dream, yes, takes me to a pond. And he has a yardstick a meter stick with a number of stones, all along this the stick the yardstick and we go over to the pond, and he just twists that, and all of the stones fall together at the same time. And they all cause ripples, moving out, moving out in all directions, not just forward. But forward, sideways, backwards. Of course, Einstein knew that time was not a linear sequential phenomena that it was part of a whole space time. Coordinate coordinates. And, and then I said, Well, what happens when there's this trauma? And he showed me that if two of these wave fronts get stuck, then everything after that in every direction becomes distorted. Wow. Yeah. You call it ego points in the book, I think, yes. Yes. I never can quite figure out why he called it that interesting lady. I had some theories, I actually read a wonderful book. I think it's called the other Einstein or Einstein's wife or something like that. It's a wonderful book. And he talks about how he, in a way, was very egotistical, and did not give his wife credit where credit was due. So I have a feeling that might have had some kind of confessional thing with him. But in any case, I asked him, Well, how then would I work with these with people who had been affected in this way? And he said, I remember that he nodded, like this, and then looked up again, and I could see it tears in his eyes. And he said, Peter, I can't tell you how to do that. But I know that you will figure it out. Well, and so that was where I started really to get also this understanding of time space coordinations. Okay. So anyhow, I, sadly, that was one of our last contexts. And, again, I attributed to active imagination that this obviously was an Einstein. There wasn't necessarily real, but you know, definitely felt real. So anyhow. So, about 30 years ago, 3035 years ago, I was visiting my parents in the Bronx. And I spent the day going to museums downtown, and I was coming back, took the D train to end in Fifth Street, walked up the road, then, you know, walked into my parents apartment, and they there was a big sofa there and they were sitting on this sofa together. And there was also a bookshelf above them like that. And I noticed Einstein's theory of relativity was one of the books, and it was kind of sticking out a little bit. And that prompted me to mention my experience with Einstein. 35 years before that 30 Yep. And so I told as again, I told my parents about, you know, my act of imagination. And my mother stood up like this. And she could be really intuitive. I mean, she was, let's just say it was a problematic relationship. But one of the things that really got from her is the gift of, of intuition. And she stood up straight and just said, Peter, no, that really happened. And I thought, what, what is what is she talking about? And she went on to say that when I was eight months pregnant with you, in utero, eight months, your father and I were canoeing on this lake in New Jersey, and a big strong wind Squall came and it tipped the canoe over. And they couldn't get back into the canoe. This as much as they struggled, they couldn't ride it, and they certainly would have perished. And we wouldn't be carrying on an interview today because I wouldn't be alive. So in that moment of life threat, a small sailboat came along, they saw my parents in distress, and they pulled them into their boat into safety. They introduced themselves as Albert Einstein and his step daughter. Wow. Wow. No. I mean, even if I did talk about it now, that's exactly what happens inside my whole body. Wow. I have chills everywhere. Yeah, yeah, hippie. Yeah. And so my mother reasoned that because he saved my life, that we would have bonded in that movement of life threat, and that we would be connected. And we still are. There's occasions where I will say, you know, you have a few minutes for me. And I might ask him a question or share with him something about what? What's going on with me. So, you know, again, I mean, how do you make sense of something like this, except that it's occurring in other dimensions. I don't know if that's the right term, but something that's a non ordinary reality. And Peter, we believe James and I are spiritualist. And we're both spiritual mediums, and I'm also a psychotherapist. But we believe that we choose our families before we come in. And which means our mothers and fathers we also choose our guides that are and the work that we're going to do, I have to say I was given your birthdate and if I cracked the code of your birthday, you come in to do your karma and your dharma together. Oh my god. And you're an aquarium. Kelly, what's the

Unknown:

right here at church in Vedic Astrology, which is what I use, you're a true Aquarian which comes to help and heal humanity. But your birthdate means to do the karmic work and the dharmic work to gather at the same time, which means it was not an easy incarnation. No, however, it was the most

Kellee White:

worthwhile than

Unknown:

any of us could ever imagine. Because you're saving not just this generation, but generations behind because of the time space continuum and going forward before and after before and after.

James Van Praagh:

That rippling effect that the ripple effect that you talked about Einstein that rippling effect is so strong, and I deal with as I said, thoughts are energy. It's all energy, and just thankful that lives you've helped to heal. And quarian being the healer came back to heal. And mean it's pretty remarkable, my friend, really remarkable. Exactly. I mean, I think of I think of the Greek

Dr Peter Levine:

archetype, mythological figure Chiron Oh, yes. jailors a wounded healer. Yeah, exactly. And I deeply believe and that was one of the motivations for writing this book. I'll say one thing about that in a minute. But I think that we as healers, we don't we owe it yes to ourselves, but we owe it to all the people we ministered to, to do our own work, our own healing. Absolutely. And again, that was one of the reasons for writing the book. Now. I did not choose to write it as A book, that was the farthest thing from my mind. You know, at the age I am now, clearly I mean, even if I stay healthy and vital and engaged and passionate, which I am, I have less time to live going forward than I have lived going back from the moment of conception. So, so I thought it was time to really write to excavate my story to look at the events, it's throughout my life and the experiences throughout my life that have shaped my growth and shaped me as the person who I am I. And so it was difficult to do. But it was something it was like really like a journal. And a very good friend of mine, a woman friend of mine, she says, I assume you're going to write this as a book. And I said, No way. It's too raw, involved, or it's too tender, it's really too revealing. And in my life being seen, could be more than uncomfortable, it could be life threatening, because of that what was going on with my father, my parents and the mafia. So everything said do not publicize, do not public put in the public? So my friend said, Well, Peter, please think about it. And I said, No, she said, Please just think about it. And so you often when I'm troubled, I cannot make a decision or something's incomplete. In my knowing I, I'll have a chance meeting with somebody a synchronicity, or a dream. And so I had the following dream. In my equivocation, I'm standing in front of this large field. And I have in my hands many, I have a manuscript in my hands. Clearly, it's, you know, it's there's pipe written on it. So some kind of a manuscript, and I look to the left, and to the right, and to the left. And again, I cannot make the decision, then the strong breeze comes from behind me, and takes all of these pages and takes them into the air onto the metal to land where they may. And when I, not all my dreams like this, but when I woke, I realized that my decision had been made, not by my conscious mind, but by my unconscious. And I still really wasn't about to do it if I didn't think that it could really help people in their own healing in their own work. So I actually sent it to one of my public earlier publishers. And he said, Well, it's a grand gesture, but I don't think you're there yet. And so I worked on it for another couple of months, and got back to Richard Richard grossinger. And he said, I can't believe it, you've done it, you're doing it. You've done what your intention was. And so that was the reason than to publish it as a book. And it may not be easy reading for many people. But it's my it's, well, it's my truth. And I, I was committed to tell my truth, wherever it would go. You know, I listened once to a talk by Isabel Yan de London. And she quoted a Jewish proverb, which goes, what is truer than answer the story? And I believe that we all have our stories to tell valuable stories. And if not, now, when, and so in, in different parts of the book, I really encourage people to tell their story. And in your vulnerability, Peter, it will help everybody with shame and blame and guilt and all kinds of important issues that lead to healing. Yep, yep. And I have a question for you, Peter. Since interest started with the with Einstein and your guide. Since then, since that was over. Have there been other guides that have come into your space? Or have you thought anyone that we know or? Well, I think have to you know, some time ago, this must have been around in 1980. I was at a party in Boulder, and I met this really lovely woman and we talked and we shared some things and I mentioned to her a dream I had a few nights before. And in the dream, I go into a room and there's some kind of a monk or something like that, or I guess a llama and he has a black robe, and then purple sash is going down, down to the bottom of the robe. And so I look at him, I'm clearly moved by him. I know, somehow I'm supposed to be meeting him. And so he hands me this wooden box. And then he, he doesn't even point he nods slightly to this door that goes into another room. And so I opened the door, go into the room. And at the back of that room, there's a large cast iron safe. And again, without words, I know that I'm supposed to take this safe this box and put it in the safe and keep it there. So the next morning, worked on the dream. And I worked with the image of the box. And I realized it was like the treasure box from my one of my favorite childhood books and movies, Treasure Island, treasure chest, but somehow, I suppose to take this treasure chest presumably of treasure, and put it into the safe. And then I was I was telling this to this woman, it started to make sense that in a way developing my work developing Somatic Experiencing was it was in a way putting in a western rationalistic scientific psychological framework, what had been known for centuries, maybe 1000s of years. So my job was to keep it in safe by putting into a language that would be accessible and acceptable. And so I just kind of as afterwards, I let that go. But she left before she, this woman at the party, she took a little like one of those note cards, index card. And in beautiful calligraphy, she wrote the phone number of a of a monk in Berkeley, and I happen to be teaching in Berkeley. And so this I was looking for something in my wallet, and this accidentally fell out of my wallet, onto the onto the table. And it had the name of the Lama and his phone number. So this was way before cell phones. So I went down, I use the phone in the house. And I called the number and somebody must have been one of his students answered. And I said, Would it be possible to talk to the lama? And he said, Okay, I think he even said something like, I think he's expecting a call. But that seems again, impossible. Anyhow, I told him about, you know, my, my insights and my developing of the methodology. And I asked them this, does he think that there's any overlap with this and different Tibetan healing traditions? And he said, yes, definitely the Kenai tradition which is a body oriented, tantric body or did approach. You said, yes, there's a lot of similarities there. But what you're describing is something that's happened all over the world and at different times. And the original spiritual opening, the spiritual temple was from the Stone Age temples in Ireland. And so after that, I of course, I ran to the Berkeley library. And I found a book that had pictures of these stone eight and temples. And there was one from Newgrange, I think I have a picture of that also in the book. And it was, in order to pass through this into pass through the door to the portal into the spiritual dimension, you had to go over this obstacle. It's this big, heavy elliptical stone that had spirals going in opposite direction pairs of spirals going in opposite direction. And this was one of the the most this is one of the most important insights I had and teaching the work of working with these complementary vortices, the trauma vortex and accounting vortex. So anyhow, you know, I can't tell you the truth and I think you won't think I'm crazy, but I absolutely am convinced that I've been guided in this way. I'm totally somehow you know, and that people that I needed to be with and learn from, you know, and one of the chapters in the book it says the The four most important women in my life, and the four most important men in my life. And those are people, they are giants whose shoulders I stand on. And they have, in different ways influenced me, both feeling wise, but also academically or intellectually, scientifically. So like you said, and somebody else said, essentially the same thing to me, that somehow my karma and my dharma got entangled with each other,

Unknown:

really been able to separate them. And I don't think I'm really that interested in trying to separate them. I think they were they belong. Just fine. Peter, I think you're perfect this the way you are. The phrase which I love, which reminds when you talk about synchronicity, coincidences, God's way of remaining anonymous. Oh, that's good. All right.

Dr Peter Levine:

I think everything, you know, there's also the theory, I don't know if you've heard of this, well, you would know, but the different levels of awareness or beingness. And to me, and a simple way of describing it, that the soul for me, is human vessel is maybe 30% of the soul or 70% of souls beyond the human comprehension, outside of time, and, you know, so much out there that we don't understand. But we keep on comparing to the human experience, which is almost impossible. Just grab the seventh dimension, a three dimensional world. Hmm, yeah. You know, another thing that that Einstein said, not to me personally, but I read it. He said, There are two ways to look at the world to work and look at the universe. One is that nothing is a miracle. Or that everything is a miracle. I've heard that. Yeah. And, yeah, I think part of your book and part of you and Kelly, I think it's when I was reading the book, it came with that theme over and over which I love the art of discovery. Discover something new, with each page with each word. And that's about your book, that art of discovery that that innocence, that yearning to find things out. It's beautiful. Yeah, yeah, you know, I don't believe the Curiosity killed the cat. curiosity led the cat to realize its highest, greatest potential, and give it I was constantly curious. You know, that was really who I was. I was the annoying. Curiosity kid, I was always asked that question. Why? Well, okay, but why? Why that? Why this? And, Peter, nowadays, if let's say you talk to Einstein now, what would the message be different? Would you find the context of the message to be different? Is it a different experience? Is it can you describe it if it's different or not? Or what's? You know, the first thing that came into mind is, I would say, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being part of my life. Yeah. Not just for me, but for many, many others in this way. And Peter, what do you think happens when you leave the body? Death? What do you think that what happens at death? Yeah, I, you know, gosh, I was asking. The last chapter, my book is called Living by dying. And yeah, it's one I've really pondered quite a bit. And I had a very dear friend, Butch. He's one of the people I dedicate the book to. And he who's had a pretty serious alcohol problem, a very serious alcohol problem. And but he, and he really helps people. He helps organizations that work with traumatized children, or sexually abused or sex trafficked kids. And I remember sitting with him one day when it was clear that he was on his way. And I said, But you know, when I wonder about dying, it's a difficult thing for me to do think about this, and I wonder what it is like for you? And he's looked at me and he said, I think I'd be able to help more people. Wow. Yeah. I could see where I wanted to dedicate the book to him.

Unknown:

Peter, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about I don't know if I'm gonna say this correctly, Henryk. When your mother

Dr Peter Levine:

Yeah, yeah. When I talk also about I talk many cultures, one race, the human race. And I talk about more shamanic cultures and more indigenous cultures and more European cultures and so forth. And Enrique was a person I had the the privilege to have met a A friend of mine, a Brazilian friend connected us together. And he's what's called in Brazil in Brazilian a pile of the sand, which means a father saint in the bond religion. And he's it's a type of shamanism, I guess you could say, yeah. And so I spent a couple of times just spending time with him at his facin first and fast and it's like a farm in the, you know, in a clearing in the jungles. And when we would go, he would, we would stand outside. And there was this, we were in a circle of these Rokan women in white dresses, from Bahia they called Bayana. Over here, yeah, see traveller that way. Yeah. And they were very spiritual and holding presents. And so then he would take, he'd come up to us. And he take a glass of water, but a thinner bottle. So this was easier to balance. And until we could just stand there, and just keep the, the, the, the, the the glass still, while we were shaking inside, then he knew we were ready to do, I guess you could call it reading. So one of these years in March, my mother died unexpectedly. And she drowned in the bath in a bathtub. And I felt tremendous guilt, because I've been trying for now, three, four years to get her because I could see her her health and mental status was failing. And I was encouraging her to move out, because she liked love Berkeley. And then I have two brothers who are different kinds of doctors. One is one of the world's authorities on pain when she was suffering and the other one isn't, does a Chinese and Tibetan medicine, acupuncture homeopathy. But she, I couldn't get her to budge. And then when she died, I felt tremendous guilt that maybe she committed suicide. You know, cuz she just couldn't leave the place where she lived for all her life. And so we went in, and Ricky had us walk around the farm, we make offerings to all of the black slaves that were there, and that were killed, and asked their permission to be on the land and so forth, and beautiful sex ceremony. And we would go and we would pick leaves, and he would have us hold the leaves in our hands. And being aware of which pan we pick what leaving. So then we came back, and we put the leaves together in this big bowl. And then we went for lunch. And they just prepared this incredible feast. Simple, but just incredible feast. And then afterwards, we sat with Enrique, we were on one side. He was on the other side of the bowl with the flat with the leaves. And the leaves had formed into a mandala. Yeah. And he looked at me. And he said, Oh, Peter, because he didn't nobody else knew about this. I was the one who knew about it. He said, I see your mother just passed. Yeah. And she wants you to know, she wants you to know that it was an accident. That wasn't suicide. It turned out it was exactly an accident. And we later found out because of her pain, she was having these patches, opioid patches. And she had one on, and she didn't realize it and she put on a second one. And so hot bath, she don't overdose. But, and he then said, Because I mean, I just it's like a weight came off of me. And he then he also said, and you know, she's sorry for so many of the things that she did and didn't do. And she wants you to know that if you ever want, you can always call on her. And she'll help you from the other side. How he knew all of that, and knew when to transmit it and knew what to say and what not to say. I mean, again, to really appreciate and honor these different cultures that I had the privilege of meeting over my lifetime. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can relate to that a lot. Yeah, that's the work that you we do James and 1000s and millions of people with the work you do. Give me those messages. I've been to Brazil many times and I've had experiences like this and condom lay and I've had ceremonial and entranced there and you're me. mediumship there at the Spiritism and the mediums there, I've seen materializations of spirit I've seen at ports come right out. Resilience at the whole energy, there's so alive, isn't it? It's so natural. The ups and the movements are so natural. You know, I mean, when we stay downtown, you know, in this nice little hotel for $12 a night, and every would walk around at night, and every street corner, you'd see children dancing and moving, they would have their, you know, their boombox there. And they wouldn't be doing Samba and for home, which is more difficult answer that part of these. And it was just, you just got held by that warmth. make me cry, because I've been there for years, these three groups down there from God's Spirit spiritual centers around all of Brazil, at the end. And this call them heart people, because you just and you bring that back and thank you is your is your book in Portuguese? Is it in? Several of the books are in Portuguese? I you know, I don't know. Actually, it was kind of interesting. I was doing an interview the other day. And this is a I guess it's some kind of a group that does? I'm not sure exactly what some kind of counseling or what do you call it when you're, it's not therapy? It's I think of it or not. Anyhow, one of the people on that faculty was one of my dear, dear students in Brazil. And I had had a dream about her two nights before. Wow. I mean, yeah. How Spirit works? Yes. You don't have to get it's me. Yeah. And so, you know, I sent her an email and shared with her little bit how wonderful it was and wondering how her daughter was doing and her husband was doing. And yeah, and she, you know, and she, I think, number of my Brazilian students really bring together some aspects of Spiritism. With the somatic experiencing work and in a in a in a good way in an A, it would be hard not to because that's who they are. This is not yet exactly. Medium. They're in Brazil, and it's just natural, which is just wondering, when your life is around that and it's

Unknown:

I've missed I miss Brazil. I know me too. I have a question. Before we close. Peter, I want to ask you, Einstein now, what do you just assume maybe what he's what that soul is doing right now. If

Dr Peter Levine:

they're sincere to the veil there. What do you think? I think he was still looking for the theory of everything. Yeah. Yeah. Still teaching probably, of course. But yeah. Yeah. It's great. No, I think I think he also really would be suffering a lot. From the way things are in the world. The heartbreaking way things are. Very sensitive man, very sensory sensitive, man, very sensitive. Theater very much for joining us today. One more thing. One more thing. Yeah. When I was working on that chapter, living my dying. I felt that my task, but by next, my final gift, was to come back to that 18 month old child who was filled with enthusiasm and curiosity, and if it's okay, I want to just briefly, please, Wow, I love that picture.

Kellee White:

I love that baby.

Dr Peter Levine:

That's the part of me. That was a poll was always how, yeah, thank you for sharing your wisdom. Yeah, your life has great meeting you in Encinitas, I live in Vegas we'll go have dinner together. Yes, yeah, yeah, somehow give me your phone number. Well, yeah, we're gonna friends in celebrate. Oh, yeah. Getting tight. But yeah, that was great. I look forward to having another local buddy

Unknown:

who kind of have the same mindset. Well, and especially Peter, I understand you're writing another book, possibly spirituality, trauma and spirituality, trauma and spirituality. Exactly. This is um,

Dr Peter Levine:

Doing this one with a very good friend of a student of mine, a really fairly solid meditation, Tibetan meditation teacher. And we're working together actually, we'll be meeting and work on it for three days, we're doing some kind of a class together in, in, in Switzerland. And so we'll get together for a few days before that and kind of kind of compare notes and see where we want to go. But yeah, those are the that's the book that I'm actually working on. There's one other book that I wanted to do with a friend of mine on healthy sexuality for adolescents because of what kids are exposed to. It's really horrific. I feel like you and I know the same people it's really weird but I have a feeling that we know that the same people wouldn't be surprised. We didn't

Unknown:

prepare for your again like Kelly's your wisdom and your insights and for sharing. Spending this time together. It's been a joy. It's Pleasure is all ours. We're so happy you are with us tonight and everybody. Please read an autobiography of trauma. You will not be able to put this book down

Dr Peter Levine:

Thank you